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Nightclub Bill Seeks to Protect Underage Guests, and D.C
Originally posted by Mobius:Of course there is - The laws that govern them. That makes for tricky situations sometimes.
Therre is no connection between a sketchy club like 919 and typical music clubs.
DC can be a really tedius place to grow up.No - Bumf-ck, Iowa is a tedious place to grow up. If you can't find way to entertain yourself in DC, you're not looking very hard.
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
No - Bumf-ck, Iowa is a tedious place to grow up. If you can't find way to entertain yourself in DC, you're not looking very hard.Bingo
by the way, is Nightclub Bill friends with Downtown Bob?
Originally posted by Mobius:I've had several shows booked at Club Lime with the downstairs part of the venue holds weekly go-gos. No violence, cops on site, IDs being checked…you know the things responsible club holders do.
Let's be completely honest. Jim Graham is not motivated by solving any real issue here. This is about him. This is about him making a name for himself. Not to get off point but his anal-retentive-chic style of dress suggests to me an air of self importance - a misguided self-importance.
Therre is no connection between a sketchy club like 919 and typical music clubs. If he's worried about violence - put cops on the street - which is where the shooting occurred. Hold clubs where incidents occur.
I think each week the City Paper should have a Jim Graham section since he wants to be such a media whore. The City Paper loves Jim so much after he stormed into the Chief Editor's office. hehe
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That's because none of the followups really addressed my point, and I didn't feel like addressing the points of the followups.
My point was that there are plenty of other things for children to do in the world, other than hanging out late on a weeknight in an adult nightclub. Most American children don't even have the option to hang out in an adult nightclub, and yet they manage to survive their childhood years quite fine. Betty, it's precisely BECAUSE you live in Bethesda that you even have the opportunity as a child to hang out in an adult nightclub. Try living in rural Nebraska.
Now if you insist that I address the followups, which really didn't address my initial point, I will. What hard statistics prove that a child staying at home on a weeknight is going to be in less danger than a child spending the night in an adult nightclub? I have seen none. Really, you're not comparing apples with apples. Every child in America spends time at home nearly every night of the week. Only a small fraction spends time in an adult nightclub. I don't really see how you could compare violence rates for the two, even if there were rates that had been tabulated. Of course more children are killed at home than in adult nightclubs. Because 99% of kids are at home nearly every night, whereas 99% of children never set foot in an adult nightclub, and for those who do, it's most likely occasionally.
If we're going to let ourselves make up the statistics, here's mine. I've probably been to the 9:30 Club for perhaps 25 concerts. Once, while minding my own business, a blindly drunk guy, unprovoked, pushed my girlfriend, kicked me, and smashed a bottle over my head. Another time, a blindly drunk guy, unprovoked, started biting my ass repeatedly. Based on my observations, I have a 2/25 chance of being attacked at the 9:30 Club. Whereas in 40x365 days of living, I have been physically attacked unprovoked only once outside of a nightclub…and not even once in my 25 years of being a student, grad student, and public and private school teacher. Geez, I guess that's undeniable proof that adult nightclubs are more dangerous than being in ones house or at school, right?
My point was that there are plenty of other things for children to do in the world, other than hanging out late on a weeknight in an adult nightclub. Most American children don't even have the option to hang out in an adult nightclub, and yet they manage to survive their childhood years quite fine. Betty, it's precisely BECAUSE you live in Bethesda that you even have the opportunity as a child to hang out in an adult nightclub. Try living in rural Nebraska.
Now if you insist that I address the followups, which really didn't address my initial point, I will. What hard statistics prove that a child staying at home on a weeknight is going to be in less danger than a child spending the night in an adult nightclub? I have seen none. Really, you're not comparing apples with apples. Every child in America spends time at home nearly every night of the week. Only a small fraction spends time in an adult nightclub. I don't really see how you could compare violence rates for the two, even if there were rates that had been tabulated. Of course more children are killed at home than in adult nightclubs. Because 99% of kids are at home nearly every night, whereas 99% of children never set foot in an adult nightclub, and for those who do, it's most likely occasionally.
If we're going to let ourselves make up the statistics, here's mine. I've probably been to the 9:30 Club for perhaps 25 concerts. Once, while minding my own business, a blindly drunk guy, unprovoked, pushed my girlfriend, kicked me, and smashed a bottle over my head. Another time, a blindly drunk guy, unprovoked, started biting my ass repeatedly. Based on my observations, I have a 2/25 chance of being attacked at the 9:30 Club. Whereas in 40x365 days of living, I have been physically attacked unprovoked only once outside of a nightclub…and not even once in my 25 years of being a student, grad student, and public and private school teacher. Geez, I guess that's undeniable proof that adult nightclubs are more dangerous than being in ones house or at school, right?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:I like how out of all the things said since you're last idiotic post, the only thing you respond to is Betty being overly dramatic. Not twaingirl's sensibly showing your argument to be one huge logical fallacy, oh no; you won't respond to that.
How did music save your life? WEre you suicidal? You're such a drama queen.
if we eliminate rawk clubs, every teenager in the dc area will stay home every night. why didnt we think of this sooner
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:I think that says far more about you than the club :D
I have a 2/25 chance of being attacked at the 9:30 Club.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:damn you !! you stole my witty reply to this post!!! i've been laughing about "nightclub bill" over here for several minutes straight. he sounds like some kind of super-hero, protecting people from violence, secondhand smoke and other various pitfalls of going out in public!!
by the way, is Nightclub Bill friends with Downtown Bob?
does he have a cape?
I don't think anyone would logically argue against that, but doesn't the mere fact that the 9:30 Club is "all ages, all the time" mean that it's NOT an adult club?
Of course, that's not to gloss over the real point of your post. A man assaulted you by repeatedly biting your ass????
Of course, that's not to gloss over the real point of your post. A man assaulted you by repeatedly biting your ass????
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
My point was that there are plenty of other things for children to do in the world, other than hanging out late on a weeknight in an adult nightclub.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:yeah, THOSE kids turn out fine!!
Try living in rural Nebraska.
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Personally, I feel like establishments that serve liquor should be 18+ for entrance and 21 to drink. Thus, in my mind it is an adult nightclub.
But you're right, my main point, the assbiting incident. It happened at the last Drive By Truckers 9:30 show. I mentioned in on the thread for the show, and someone else actually confirmed seeing it happen (so it's not my imagination!). There was a drunk guy who was grabbing and harassing the women standing near us on the balcony. Doing my best NOT to get involved (so as to avoid a fracas and potentially lose our standing position and miss the show), I ignored what was going on, until the guy started repeatedly biting my ass. I turned around and slapped him in the head, and he stopped…so I turned around and started watching the show again. Next thing I knew, out of the side of my eye, I saw 9:30 staph grab him and haul his ass away. Not sure if someone had alerted them, or if they just had a good eye.
But you're right, my main point, the assbiting incident. It happened at the last Drive By Truckers 9:30 show. I mentioned in on the thread for the show, and someone else actually confirmed seeing it happen (so it's not my imagination!). There was a drunk guy who was grabbing and harassing the women standing near us on the balcony. Doing my best NOT to get involved (so as to avoid a fracas and potentially lose our standing position and miss the show), I ignored what was going on, until the guy started repeatedly biting my ass. I turned around and slapped him in the head, and he stopped…so I turned around and started watching the show again. Next thing I knew, out of the side of my eye, I saw 9:30 staph grab him and haul his ass away. Not sure if someone had alerted them, or if they just had a good eye.
Originally posted by nkotb:
I don't think anyone would logically argue against that, but doesn't the mere fact that the 9:30 Club is "all ages, all the time" mean that it's NOT an adult club?
Of course, that's not to gloss over the real point of your post. A man assaulted you by repeatedly biting your ass????
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
My point was that there are plenty of other things for children to do in the world, other than hanging out late on a weeknight in an adult nightclub.
what show was the bottle incident?
Why, were you the perpetrator?
It was a Cracker/Camper combo show.
It was a Cracker/Camper combo show.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
what show was the bottle incident?
i wish!
nah, nothing like that has ever happened to me at 930, and i was also at the dbt show. just curious about the other, more extreme incident
nah, nothing like that has ever happened to me at 930, and i was also at the dbt show. just curious about the other, more extreme incident
Your argument is further discredited by the fact that you have not even told us WHY they should be 21+. Other than the fact that you are quite possibly a huge asshole, or just have something against teenagers having the opportunity to live a good life, for some reason.
The DC music scene has always thrived upon the all-ages aesthetic. Ian Mackaye was 17 YEARS OLD when the Teen Idles began. 18 with Minor Threat. Part of the culture and appeal of this music scene is the fact that it is accessible to kids of all-ages, and it always has been. I'm really sorry if you don't like kids, but regardless, most of what we have today wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for those teenagers attending and playing the shows that they played in the late 70s.
I don't know why you see something wrong with giving kids an outlet. They aren't stopping you from drinking or having a good time at shows. If they are, you are far too easily irritable.
As far as I'm concerned, if someone gets something really valuable out of what we have, and it's safe, why the hell deny that of them?
I had a lot of friends into some pretty hard drugs at a young age and I never touched a drug in my life because I spent my time away from them with my new straightedge friends in DC (…this, by the way, had nothing to do with saving my life). I avoid a lot of stupid drunk high school parties now because I'd rather spend my time sober, seeing a nice band, with other sober people who are into the same music as me. I do better in school when I'm happy and involved in something that I like. I'll probably get admitted to college because of my concert photography. And there isn't anything wrong with that. There shouldn't be anything wrong with that.
And by the way, a kid at my school was almost killed three weeks ago when he was hit by a schoolbus crossing right out front of our school to go home. Real fucking safe.
Nebraska, also, has a quite nice indie music scene…
The DC music scene has always thrived upon the all-ages aesthetic. Ian Mackaye was 17 YEARS OLD when the Teen Idles began. 18 with Minor Threat. Part of the culture and appeal of this music scene is the fact that it is accessible to kids of all-ages, and it always has been. I'm really sorry if you don't like kids, but regardless, most of what we have today wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for those teenagers attending and playing the shows that they played in the late 70s.
I don't know why you see something wrong with giving kids an outlet. They aren't stopping you from drinking or having a good time at shows. If they are, you are far too easily irritable.
As far as I'm concerned, if someone gets something really valuable out of what we have, and it's safe, why the hell deny that of them?
I had a lot of friends into some pretty hard drugs at a young age and I never touched a drug in my life because I spent my time away from them with my new straightedge friends in DC (…this, by the way, had nothing to do with saving my life). I avoid a lot of stupid drunk high school parties now because I'd rather spend my time sober, seeing a nice band, with other sober people who are into the same music as me. I do better in school when I'm happy and involved in something that I like. I'll probably get admitted to college because of my concert photography. And there isn't anything wrong with that. There shouldn't be anything wrong with that.
And by the way, a kid at my school was almost killed three weeks ago when he was hit by a schoolbus crossing right out front of our school to go home. Real fucking safe.
Nebraska, also, has a quite nice indie music scene…
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:I call "bullshit" on that.
not even once in my 25 years of being a student, grad student, and public and private school teacher.
There is absolutely no way that a whiny little bitch like you made it through elementary, middle, and high school without ever getting the snot kicked out of him.
You would be wrong. In high school I did have one scuffle with a jock who called me a "faggot" because of the way I wore my hair, but that was about it. That was broken up before I was able to finish him off.
And my point was that I've only been attacked UNPROVOKED once. If my alleged "whining" had gotten me into an incident (which it didn't), it would have been provoked.
And my point was that I've only been attacked UNPROVOKED once. If my alleged "whining" had gotten me into an incident (which it didn't), it would have been provoked.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:I call "bullshit" on that.
not even once in my 25 years of being a student, grad student, and public and private school teacher.
There is absolutely no way that a whiny little bitch like you made it through elementary, middle, and high school without ever getting the snot kicked out of him.
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[QB] You would be wrong. In high school I did have one scuffle with a jock who called me a "faggot" because of the way I wore my hair, but that was about it. That was broken up before I was able to finish him off.
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dude, rhett, you are a loser….just get over it and lets move on to another topic.