Originally posted by MindCage:yes, it is the responsibility of the club owners to hire security and install security and safety measures in their club. the fact is that violence tends to congregate around specific clubs that just so happen to also cater to a specific crowd. fundamentally, if a club owner is failing to abide by the law, it should be shut down- no one will dispute that. is the d.c. council over-reacting, yes, but it still doesn't change the overarching problem that this type of violence has a history of occurring in select places. nevertheless, the ultimate responsibility remains with the owner of the club to protect and provide safety for everyone at the club, and the city can shut down those that are in violation.
If the correct measures are in place, you will not have any problems that the ABC or City Council could shut you down over. The problem is this council specifically Graham is trying to cover their asses for letting a murder, underage or not, happen in an unsafe environment when they should have closed the club months prior to the underage death. There's no hiding the facts.
Nightclub Bill Seeks to Protect Underage Guests, and D.C
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:rhett, as you live in the suburbs, do you plan on driving regularly with your child in the car, or allowing your child to drive when he/she turns 16 or 17? either of these are exponentially more dangerous than "being on the streets late at night"
My concern as a parent would be for the safety of my child, as well as for my child getting enough sleep. The safety concern would be more the issue of being on the streets late at night than it would be in the concert venue itself.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:i'm woefully under-informed on this subject, but aren't the neighborhood shoutouts "inherent" with go-go shows often the sparking point when violence does occur?
Go-go is as much an outlet for the city's youth as any other form of music, it's a hallowed DC tradition, and there is nothing inherently violent about it.
What the crap? I said that at least three times in this thread; maybe you should read…
This could be somewhat resolved if security at all nightclubs who wanted to stay in business was beefed up. If Jim Graham really cared about our safety he might go to places like 9:30 and watch how thoroughly they check patrons upon entrance. Or take note of other clubs like the one mentioned in the article that is metal detecting people. Maybe metal detectors aren't such a bad idea.
After all, the issue here is safety, right?
This could be somewhat resolved if security at all nightclubs who wanted to stay in business was beefed up. If Jim Graham really cared about our safety he might go to places like 9:30 and watch how thoroughly they check patrons upon entrance. Or take note of other clubs like the one mentioned in the article that is metal detecting people. Maybe metal detectors aren't such a bad idea.
After all, the issue here is safety, right?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
betty,
this is not about you and your friends. i agree, the council is being very short-sighted and taking away opportunities from minors. 930 club, black cat and other responsible establishments do what it takes to ensure the safety of those in the club. HOWEVER, there are many other establishments that are not so thorough in their pursuit of safety. because of those establishments, the d.c. council figured they must do something.
now, like i said before, you can argue that enforcing laws already on the books would be a much better way to go, but i don't know if that will make it any safer. i don't think i've read anywhere that says the impetus behind this move is geared at violence towards or amongst indie kids at black cat or 930 club, but violence does tend to occur at certain establishments. i agree with doom, instead of cutting everyone off, it would seem to make more sense for d.c. to work within the affected areas to make them safer.
the world is not bethesda or the suburbs. rightly or wrongly, there is trouble out there, even if you have not faced it. i know you know all that, and am glad that you are thinking about this issue. i am by no means telling you to give up and stop speaking out on this issue, but at the same time you have to be pragmatic about it.
Originally posted by you be betty:It's not so much about beefing security up as it is to actually have competent, trained security people working. Not shady guys looking to make a quick $5-10 spot for letting the young girl that "forgot her ID" into a club or ones that do half-assed patdowns. Putting more liability back on the license holder would make sure they're going to be covering their ass even more.
[QB] What the crap? I said that at least three times in this thread; maybe you should read…
This could be somewhat resolved if security at all nightclubs who wanted to stay in business was beefed up. If Jim Graham really cared about our safety he might go to places like 9:30 and watch how thoroughly they check patrons upon entrance. Or take note of other clubs like the one mentioned in the article that is metal detecting people. Maybe metal detectors aren't such a bad idea.
After all, the issue here is safety, right?
I do believe even the 930 Club uses the metal detecting wands for some shows. I know there's only been one time at the club I've had that happened…I believe it was for Pharcyde, 311, and Cypress Hill. I think I could be wrong because I can't see this show having a lot of violence with 1000+ stoned people. Staph should know weed isn't metal ;)
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Good question, and I have 16 years to figure out the answer.
I think it would in part depend on what streets they were on, both on foot and in automobile. And it would depend on what my child was like. If it's a boy and he's anywhere near as big as his 6'6" father-in-law, I'd feel a little better. As far as my driving record goes, I've been driving for 24 years, with zero accidents. I was mugged on the suburban main street of Takoma Park. We've also been harassed a number of times after leaving shows at the 9:30. I would feel safer driving my child to a show than letting them wander the hood after the show.
I'd also probably feel safer with a girl teen behind the wheel over a boy, and a boy teen on the "streets" than a girl teen. Call me sexist.
When I was a teen, New York State had a law that drivers under 18 had to be off the road by 9PM. Which I think was great, studies showed it saved many lives. Unfortunately, they changed it to 11PM on weekdays and 12:01 am on weekends. I know VA has age restrictions for night driving, but I don't know what they are.
I think it would in part depend on what streets they were on, both on foot and in automobile. And it would depend on what my child was like. If it's a boy and he's anywhere near as big as his 6'6" father-in-law, I'd feel a little better. As far as my driving record goes, I've been driving for 24 years, with zero accidents. I was mugged on the suburban main street of Takoma Park. We've also been harassed a number of times after leaving shows at the 9:30. I would feel safer driving my child to a show than letting them wander the hood after the show.
I'd also probably feel safer with a girl teen behind the wheel over a boy, and a boy teen on the "streets" than a girl teen. Call me sexist.
When I was a teen, New York State had a law that drivers under 18 had to be off the road by 9PM. Which I think was great, studies showed it saved many lives. Unfortunately, they changed it to 11PM on weekdays and 12:01 am on weekends. I know VA has age restrictions for night driving, but I don't know what they are.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:rhett, as you live in the suburbs, do you plan on driving regularly with your child in the car, or allowing your child to drive when he/she turns 16 or 17? either of these are exponentially more dangerous than "being on the streets late at night"
My concern as a parent would be for the safety of my child, as well as for my child getting enough sleep. The safety concern would be more the issue of being on the streets late at night than it would be in the concert venue itself.
I would suggest charging $5 more on ticket prices for kids under 21 to cover that license. Hell, back in the dayz, San Francisco dance clubs charged me more because I'm a guy and the women are getting in free or for $2 while I paid $5.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:Harassed by whom?
We've also been harassed a number of times after leaving shows at the 9:30.
It wasn't me, I swear! :D
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:Harassed by whom?
We've also been harassed a number of times after leaving shows at the 9:30.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:you thought it was great when you were a teen?
When I was a teen, New York State had a law that drivers under 18 had to be off the road by 9PM. Which I think was great
wow, this is sounding like a Senate hearing!
Originally posted by you be betty:nononononononononononononononono.
Maybe metal detectors aren't such a bad idea.
this isnt russia!
maybe a strip search…background check? retina scan?
Children should be home by 10..end of story.
Why can't they just go down the field and drink cider like we all had to. Keep the little shits out of the nightclubs. Give us a break from the little bollocks will you?
Why can't they just go down the field and drink cider like we all had to. Keep the little shits out of the nightclubs. Give us a break from the little bollocks will you?
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:most people would also "feel safer" driving around springfield, virginia than walking down U street at 12am on a friday; it's one of the main reasons people move out to the suburbs, in order to live a "safer" life than in the city … basic risk analysis and comparison, however, shows that driving around suburbia on a regular basis is way more dangerous than walking in an urban environment (notwithstanding psycho metrobus drivers)
I think it would in part depend on what streets they were on, both on foot and in automobile. And it would depend on what my child was like. If it's a boy and he's anywhere near as big as his 6'6" father-in-law, I'd feel a little better. As far as my driving record goes, I've been driving for 24 years, with zero accidents. I was mugged on the suburban main street of Takoma Park. We've also been harassed a number of times after leaving shows at the 9:30. I would feel safer driving my child to a show than letting them wander the hood after the show.
fortunately you've dodged a bullet by miraculously not being involved in any accidents and unfortunately bucked the trend by being mugged in takoma park and "harrassed" multiple times surrounding the 930 club in an approximately 25-time sample
i'm just sick of people (not you in particular, just people in general) being deathly afraid of things that the media feeds them like bird flu, child abductions, random acts of street violence, etc, while they drive around every day with a cellphone smacked against their cheek and a Big Mac on their lap
Men hitting on my wife. Typical negro mumbo jumbo like, "You bettuh watch out, aw I'm gonna git yuh wife." That's happened a couple of times. Some might take it as complimentary, but we'd prefer they shut the fuck up and leave us alone.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:Harassed by whom?
We've also been harassed a number of times after leaving shows at the 9:30.
No, I didn't. But I don't think my parents would have budged much on that number. It's not like there was much to do beyond going to a high school basketball game or movie anyway, so it wasn't a big deal.
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:you thought it was great when you were a teen?
When I was a teen, New York State had a law that drivers under 18 had to be off the road by 9PM. Which I think was great
So, when you go to the 9:30 you are sexually and otherwise assaulted and subject to verbal harassment from "negroes." When you go to the Birchmere, your wife is set upon by rude staff and abusive management. On the streets of Takoma Park you are mugged. At the suburban mattress store you get into an altercation with the staff. On the streets of Gay Paris, you are physically assaulted by mimes. I know there are a slew of other incidents I am forgetting.
As an alleged mathmetician, you must realize that the frequency with which you and your wife are the victims of random acts of abuse and violence are a massive statistical anomaly.
Or perhaps you are just full of shit.
Either way, it is probably best for your physical safety and your emotional well-being if you disengage from that confrontational and dangerous outside world. Just stay home.
As an alleged mathmetician, you must realize that the frequency with which you and your wife are the victims of random acts of abuse and violence are a massive statistical anomaly.
Or perhaps you are just full of shit.
Either way, it is probably best for your physical safety and your emotional well-being if you disengage from that confrontational and dangerous outside world. Just stay home.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Men hitting on my wife. Typical negro mumbo jumbo like, "You bettuh watch out, aw I'm gonna git yuh wife." That's happened a couple of times. Some might take it as complimentary, but we'd prefer they shut the fuck up and leave us alone.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:post of the month!
Just stay home.
Spoken like somebody who's lived in the cushy suburbs his whole life, and who doesn't have a hot wife.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So, when you go to the 9:30 you are sexually and otherwise assaulted and subject to verbal harassment from "negroes." When you go to the Birchmere, your wife is set upon by rude staff and abusive management. On the streets of Takoma Park you are mugged. At the suburban mattress store you get into an altercation with the staff. On the streets of Gay Paris, you are physically assaulted by mimes. I know there are a slew of other incidents I am forgetting.
As an alleged mathmetician, you must realize that the frequency with which you and your wife are the victims of random acts of abuse and violence are a massive statistical anomaly.
Or perhaps you are just full of shit.
Either way, it is probably best for your physical safety and your emotional well-being if you disengage from that confrontational and dangerous outside world. Just stay home.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Men hitting on my wife. Typical negro mumbo jumbo like, "You bettuh watch out, aw I'm gonna git yuh wife." That's happened a couple of times. Some might take it as complimentary, but we'd prefer they shut the fuck up and leave us alone.
This is one of the funniest threads in memory…
Rhett, you always eventually bring up your allegedly "hot wife" in threads like this, do you draw validation from being married to hotness?
Rhett, you always eventually bring up your allegedly "hot wife" in threads like this, do you draw validation from being married to hotness?