I don't need to waste my time like all those stupid, so called peace protesters, hanging out in front of the white house. You think this nation is gonna say "Oh Gee look, dumbass Cindy wants our troops back, ok everybody, come on home"…..LOL….What a waste of life she is….She needs to join her son……soon. Then he'll beat her ass for embarrassing him and the unit he fought for.
Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
I don't need to waste my time like all those stupid, so called peace protesters, hanging out in front of the white house. You think this nation is gonna say "Oh Gee look, dumbass Cindy wants our troops back, ok everybody, come on home"…..LOL….What a waste of life she is….She needs to join her son……soon. Then he'll beat her ass for embarrassing him and the unit he fought for.I'm not an easily offended person, but come on man, regardless of your politics this is over the line. No matter what her politics are, she still lost a son in this war, and that gives her more right to say something than any of us have. Since when is an active stance and doing something about it through grassroots politics a waste of life? So she disagrees with you and has the guts to do something about it. Deal with it.
Umm have you looked at the most recent poll numbers? Support for this war is at ann all-time low. Seems like she's done a lot to help the public realize how unnecessary this war is.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I don't need to waste my time like all those stupid, so called peace protesters, hanging out in front of the white house. You think this nation is gonna say "Oh Gee look, dumbass Cindy wants our troops back, ok everybody, come on home"…..LOL….What a waste of life she is….She needs to join her son……soon. Then he'll beat her ass for embarrassing him and the unit he fought for.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:[/QB]
Umm have you looked at the most recent poll numbers? Support for this war is at ann all-time low. Seems like she's done a lot to help the public realize how unnecessary this war is.
Polls aren't always accurate due to the fact that alot of people don't waste their time with them. Did they poll every single person in the U.S.? I don't remember getting that call.
Have you ever heard of sampling techniques?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Polls aren't always accurate due to the fact that alot of people don't waste their time with them. Did they poll every single person in the U.S.? I don't remember getting that call. [/QB]
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Umm have you looked at the most recent poll numbers? Support for this war is at ann all-time low. Seems like she's done a lot to help the public realize how unnecessary this war is.
Originally posted by callat703:Yes, I feel for the son, no doubt. He fought for our country so I have nothing but respect for him. I can just say, if it were me that died and my mother did this shit, there would be no doubt that I'd be waiting my ass at the front door to hell and bitch slap her when she arrived for embarrassing my memory. Than again, my Mom wouldnt do that.
I'm not an easily offended person, but come on man, regardless of your politics this is over the line. No matter what her politics are, she still lost a son in this war, and that gives her more right to say something than any of us have. Since when is an active stance and doing something about it through grassroots politics a waste of life? So she disagrees with you and has the guts to do something about it. Deal with it. [/QB]
Yes, I feel for the son, no doubt. He fought for our country so I have nothing but respect for him. I can just say, if it were me that died and my mother did this shit, there would be no doubt that I'd be waiting my ass at the front door to hell and bitch slap her when she arrived for embarrassing my memory. Than again, my Mom wouldnt do that.But it wasn't you that died. And it isn't your mom who is protesting. So really, where do you get off criticizing her for an honest reaction to her grief? Again, regardless of your politics, I think its pretty hard for anybody to criticize somebody for wanting answers when the cause of their question is the death of a son.
If you want to criticize people about the anti-war movement, I'd direct your criticism towards the thousands of people that were at the rallies this weekend who have no idea what they're protesting against. Those that don't understand the ramifications of pulling all of our troops out of Iraq immediately, or the folks calling for the impeachment of President Bush, or the populists and anarchists that have latched on to the anti-war message in an effort to promote their own agendas. The list goes on of people who protest who don't really understand what it is that they are protesting against; I can give them credit for their energy, but would urge them to become more informed. Extremism on either side of the aisle is a dangerous thing.
But to criticize a mother who lost her son? Calling her a waste of life? I think of all people, she's justified in questioning this war.
Is she still demanding the withdrawal of federal troops from New Orleans?
Originally posted by callat703:I was gonna call her trailer trash, but that was just too obvious. :D
Calling her a waste of life? I think of all people, she's justified in questioning this war. [/QB]
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:A Bush voter calling anyone else trailer trash reeks of impropriety.
I was gonna call her trailer trash, but that was just too obvious. :D
Originally posted by callat703:No, it wasn't me that died and like I said, I know my Mother would not blame someone else for my death when it wasn't that persons fault. My Mother would know that I went in the military for a reason and it wasn't for getting a college degree. My mother would know that there was a chance that I would fight and be killed. She would NOT have protested for that reason and even if there was a 1% chance of her doing that, my Father, Brother, cats and the rest of the family would stap her down to the bed just to make sure she didn't.
But it wasn't you that died. And it isn't your mom who is protesting. [/QB]
But I guess some people can handle things better than others.
So go ahead Cindy, waste your breath and the air we breath fighting for your cause…..I'll keep turning the channel when I see your ugly mug.
improprietyThat's kind of unfair. Bush supporters don't understand "fancy" words like that…
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Bush voter calling anyone else trailer trash reeks of impropriety. [/QB][/QUOT
I didn't vote for Bush Einstein.
How many fine young men aged 18-34 have been felled by crime in America's inner cities since 9/11? I'll bet it's waymore than 1900. But you don't hear any outcry for them.
Originally posted by Ellis D. Fleischbach:Cindy Sheehan doesn't care about black people.
How many fine young men aged 18-34 have been felled by crime in America's inner cities since 9/11? I'll bet it's waymore than 1900. But you don't hear any outcry for them.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:<img src="http://www.aref-adib.com/archives/bush_einstein.jpg" alt=" - " />
I didn't vote for Bush Einstein.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Too drunk on Election Day or voted Libertarian? Oh, wait, no difference…
I didn't vote for Bush Einstein.
How many fine young men aged 18-34 have been felled by crime in America's inner cities since 9/11? I'll bet it's waymore than 1900. But you don't hear any outcry for them.This is probably true. The only way that I can answer that is that the deaths that have occurred in Iraq were part of a governmental decision to go to war there, and our continued presence there ensures that more people are apt to die there. The deaths that happen every day in our cities across the country are a part of our societal makeup and culture; its much easier to question why death happens when you can point to a specific cause (ie: war) versus identifying larger societal problems that lead to death - poverty, inequality, racism, and so forth.
More like someone dumb enough to sign up for the military calling someone trailer trash reeks of impropriety.
Because ultimately, if you're so stupid that you VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, you deserve whatever war your government sends you into.
Because ultimately, if you're so stupid that you VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, you deserve whatever war your government sends you into.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:A Bush voter calling anyone else trailer trash reeks of impropriety.
I was gonna call her trailer trash, but that was just too obvious. :D
No, it wasn't me that died and like I said, I know my Mother would not blame someone else for my death when it wasn't that persons fault. My Mother would know that I went in the military for a reason and it wasn't for getting a college degree. My mother would know that there was a chance that I would fight and be killed. She would NOT have protested for that reason and even if there was a 1% chance of her doing that, my Father, Brother, cats and the rest of the family would stap her down to the bed just to make sure she didn't.I think this is a rather egregious misunderstanding of why many people join the military. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of military enlistees join because the military provides a steady paycheck, fantastic training, and an opportunity to increase quality of life through continued education and military structure. I'm sure many military enlistees would invoke a grander sense of defending the country that lines up with the principles of our armed services, but I think ultimately the decision to join the military is preempted by self advancement and necessity - just like any other career decision that any person makes.
More like someone dumb enough to sign up for the military calling someone trailer trash reeks of impropriety.Again, this isn't very fair. Sure, there are some people who join the military who have plenty of other avenues open to them; they do it for patriotism, or family tradition, or because they want to see the world. But what about the people who join because they don't have other career paths available to them? The kids who grow up in the inner city who want to get out and do something more than work as a mechanic, or enlist to escape gangs and violence? The mothers and fathers whose best opportunity to support their children and families is through the job security afforded by the military?
Because ultimately, if you're so stupid that you VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, you deserve whatever war your government sends you into.
I doubt you'd find many military folks who joined for the express reason of going to war with Iraq. Of course, when you join the military there is a chance that you will go to fight, and with that chance, the chance that you will die. But the ultimate truth about our military is that the troops themselves do not decide where it is that they go, and what they are required to do. You said:
I know my Mother would not blame someone else for my death when it wasn't that persons fault.Perhaps you are right in saying that it isn't the direct fault of the Bush administration, or of the government, for the deaths of our troops in Iraq. But like it or not, they are our decision makers - they decided that the war in Iraq was a national priority. And consequently, as the decision makers, they are the ones held accountable for the decisions that they've made.
So tell me, if the government doesn't have the answers for Cindy Sheehan and the other military families who have lost relatives, who does? It seems as though a simple question has been posed - what is the reason our soldiers continue to fight and die in Iraq? And what is the evidence for that reason?
That isn't an unreasonable question for anybody to ask this government; and it is especially reasonable if you're a grieving parent, husband, wife, brother, sister, son or daughter.