Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:Wrong spelling for "to"?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Actually I must agree with the illiterate idiot on this point.
What a great example she's setting for our children. "It's bad when our troops break the law but It's ok for me to"…….LOL….
Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:So then you must not agree with one of our founding principles, Free Speech? First Amendment? Calling her "the bitch" and saying she should die….Only people who agree with you are valid? People who are willing to take a stand are BAD examples for our children?
So the bitch just got arrested in front of the White House. What a great example she's setting for our children. "It's bad when our troops break the law but It's ok for me to"…….LOL….What a joke she is.
Sheesh, I love when Republicans absolutely hate principles this country was founded upon. We all should have stayed in England and kept our mouths shut and suffered under British rule.
I don't agree with everything she's doing, but fuck, if we have soldiers willing to kill and die to free Iraq and bring democracy there, then we should at least support those same rights in this country.
P.S. Has hell frozen over for anyone else? I agree with Rhett on this thread. Will wonders never cease….
Originally posted by Arlette:i thought rob said he wasn't republican. . .or at least didn't vote for bush.
Sheesh, I love when Republicans absolutely hate principles this country was founded upon. We all should have stayed in England and kept our mouths shut and suffered under British rule.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:I said both. Good memory.
Originally posted by Arlette:i thought rob said he wasn't republican. . .or at least didn't vote for bush.
Sheesh, I love when Republicans absolutely hate principles this country was founded upon. We all should have stayed in England and kept our mouths shut and suffered under British rule.
Originally posted by Arlette:What does free speech have to do with the "right" to blockade a building? The police would have no problem with her and her people marching around the building and speaking their mind, but the law says you can't just stand there. If I was your neighbor, would you have no problem with me deciding one day to set up a tent 6" from your property line blocking your driveway?
So then you must not agree with one of our founding principles, Free Speech?
It might seem like a stupid law, but it's innocuous at worst. She could have easily complied and it would have made her protest no less "effective" or "potent" or whatever.
To be honest, I'm sure she probably wanted to get arrested, it only makes more news for her. The fact her protesters had a chant all ready only makes it more obvious.
Originally posted by Arlette:I do agree. But I also have the right or freedom of speech to say that she's an idiot and she's only hurting the moral of our troops and giving the insurgents hope. It's my consitutional right correct?
So then you must not agree with one of our founding principles, Free Speech? First Amendment? [/QB]
My bad then. He also called her ugly and that's usually a Republican tactic, commenting on someone's looks.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:Exactly, I was gonna write something like that but you said it perfectly. This wasn't about her first amendment rights, it was about breaking the law…..Which I don't quite remember being in the constitution.
What does free speech have to do with the "right" to blockade a building? The police would have no problem with her and her people marching around the building and speaking their mind, but the law says you can't just stand there. If I was your neighbor, would you have no problem with me deciding one day to set up a tent 6" from your property line blocking your driveway?
It might seem like a stupid law, but it's innocuous at worst. She could have easily complied and it would have made her protest no less "effective" or "potent" or whatever.
To be honest, I'm sure she probably wanted to get arrested, it only makes more news for her. The fact her protesters had a chant all ready only makes it more obvious. [/QB]
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:You honestly think, (a) Cindy Shaheen is getting reported in the Baghdad Sun-times, and (b) if so, Al Queda operatives and/or Iraqi insurgents actually go, "Hey, remember that guy we killed last year? His mom is totally for us! Wicked sweet, and I was just about to give up before this."
…giving the insurgents hope.
This "emboldening the enemy" thing pro-war people throw around is no less non-sequitor then me going "I had Cheerios this morning, therefore I am the Lord Christ Jesus incarnate."
It may take a whole slew of folks taking real action for any change to occur.
Her arrest is likely to get more press than the whole protest did. God bless her.
Her arrest is likely to get more press than the whole protest did. God bless her.
people get arrested all the time for civil disoberence, why is her case so shocking or special… at least she wasn't vandalizing property in the name of anarchy.
why should she have to mourn the lose of son quietly, is it not her right to ask for answers?
why should she have to mourn the lose of son quietly, is it not her right to ask for answers?
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:You honestly think, (a) Cindy Shaheen is getting reported in the Baghdad Sun-times, and (b) if so, Al Queda operatives and/or Iraqi insurgents actually go, "Hey, remember that guy we killed last year? His mom is totally for us! Wicked sweet, and I was just about to give up before this."
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This "emboldening the enemy" thing pro-war people throw around is no less non-sequitor then me going "I had Cheerios this morning, therefore I am the Lord Christ Jesus incarnate." [/QB]
Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Absolutely. But your posts are so vehement. And saying she should die and is a waste of breath….just seems way extreme even when you disagree with someone.
Originally posted by Arlette:I do agree. But I also have the right or freedom of speech to say that she's an idiot and she's only hurting the moral of our troops and giving the insurgents hope. It's my consitutional right correct? [/QB]
So then you must not agree with one of our founding principles, Free Speech? First Amendment?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:I believe the autopsy showed that he was killed in an ambush in Sadr City, Iraq, last year, Ok, there's her answer…..Can she go home now? :roll:
why should she have to mourn the lose of son quietly, is it not her right to ask for answers?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Except…..no. You were arguing all the same points well before she was arrested. My points were about her protesting. So were yours. Not about being arrested. Protesting is First Amendment.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:Exactly, I was gonna write something like that but you said it perfectly. This wasn't about her first amendment rights, it was about breaking the law…..Which I don't quite remember being in the constitution. [/QB]
What does free speech have to do with the "right" to blockade a building? The police would have no problem with her and her people marching around the building and speaking their mind, but the law says you can't just stand there. If I was your neighbor, would you have no problem with me deciding one day to set up a tent 6" from your property line blocking your driveway?
It might seem like a stupid law, but it's innocuous at worst. She could have easily complied and it would have made her protest no less "effective" or "potent" or whatever.
To be honest, I'm sure she probably wanted to get arrested, it only makes more news for her. The fact her protesters had a chant all ready only makes it more obvious.
I guess my problem with the argument that we're "emboldening the terrorists" or supporting the enemy when we question our actions is that it seems to give an absolute stamp of power to our leadership. It is basically saying that once we commit to an action, we can't step back and reexamine what we're doing. And I think that's insane.
Isn't it more likely to show the world that we're reasonable people if we're able to admit our mistakes and work to correct them? Or show that we're open to the world's opinion?
Isn't it more likely to show the world that we're reasonable people if we're able to admit our mistakes and work to correct them? Or show that we're open to the world's opinion?
I think Al Qaeida and the Iraqi insurgents have plenty of motivation regardless of Cindy Sheehan. She has influence on the morale of US people, but not on the insurgents.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us. [/QB]
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:You honestly think, (a) Cindy Shaheen is getting reported in the Baghdad Sun-times, and (b) if so, Al Queda operatives and/or Iraqi insurgents actually go, "Hey, remember that guy we killed last year? His mom is totally for us! Wicked sweet, and I was just about to give up before this."
This "emboldening the enemy" thing pro-war people throw around is no less non-sequitor then me going "I had Cheerios this morning, therefore I am the Lord Christ Jesus incarnate." [/QB]
Originally posted by Arlette:
Absolutely. But your posts are so vehement. And saying she should die and is a waste of breath….just seems way extreme even when you disagree with someone.Stick around, you'll hear about more dying comments from other people on other threads, it's not just me, you just caught me this time. :cool:
Originally posted by Arlette:I did not know that was a Republican tactic, that's the first time I've heard that on this board.
My bad then. He also called her ugly and that's usually a Republican tactic, commenting on someone's looks.
But you gotta admit, she's no Kate Moss.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Just to make sure I'm understanding your point: it's your contention that the Iraqi Insurgency© see reports of Cindy Shaheen, including the fact that her son got killed by the Iraqi Insurgency©, and they then think that Cindy Shaheen and her supporters are, what? Pro-Insurgency©?
Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us.