The problem I have is, whether the war is right or wrong is everyone's individual opinion. I have a problem with the whole "Bring the troops home NOW" statement. That would be a disaster, all hell would break loose a billion times worse than they are now. I'm all for ending this war but not how she wants to. We have to fix it up, somehow, then come home, we can't just pack it up this very second and leave. That would be the death of all the Iraqi's that supported us.
Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:With the exception of Al Frakken, I do not recall any Democrats who based their attacks on Republicans or Republican policy on "looks." I would then offer as contrast every "critique" of anything Michael Moore has had to say.
I did not know that was a Republican tactic, that's the first time I've heard that on this board.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:Pretty good propoganda tactic isn't it?
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:Just to make sure I'm understanding your point: it's your contention that the Iraqi Insurgency© see reports of Cindy Shaheen, including the fact that her son got killed by the Iraqi Insurgency©, and they then think that Cindy Shaheen and her supporters are, what? Pro-Insurgency©?
Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us.
Well, I was at the show all day, look for some coverage on BigYawn soon. I though many of th performances were good. highlights include Steve Earl, Thievery for sure, and Ted Leo. Head-Roc was also very good, though some of his themes got old by the end. The Evens weren't great, Jello got old by the end of the night, and Le tigre weren't bad, but I was pretty beat by that time.
In reference to the point of the day, it obviously did not change anyone's mind on the issue, but for the people who want the troops to come home, it made you feel good, which is one of the main points of these sorts of events.
I find it interesting how many in this country, including Rob Gee it appears, villify Cindy. Her son was killed, in a conflict she did not feel was right. If my brother had been killed during his time over there, i would have reacted in the same way. Except she is far braver than i am, and she took it to a national level. Good for her. She is a bitch for not wanting other mother's sons dying? That is a ridiculous comment. Cindy, like nearly every other person in this country who is not a stock holder in Haliburton, wants the war in Iraq to end. The only place we all differ on is how and when. It has nothing to do with being unpatriotic, and the only people who actually believe this are the ignorant. You think the politcians really think Cindy is unpatriotic? It's called spin. They want you to think that about her, cause it villifies her to the ignorant in this country, who, judging by the number of votes Bush got in the last election, are around in vast amounts. This administration should be thankful there aren't more Cindy's out there. Then they might actually have to admit they have not handled this well. You are better than a comment like that Rob. Being patriotic means "expressing love or pride for your country." This has nothing to do with wanting the troops out of Iraq. It has everything to do with wanting an administration that actually reflects the beliefs of its citizens, and doesn't actively lie to them. Something to actually be proud of.
In reference to the point of the day, it obviously did not change anyone's mind on the issue, but for the people who want the troops to come home, it made you feel good, which is one of the main points of these sorts of events.
I find it interesting how many in this country, including Rob Gee it appears, villify Cindy. Her son was killed, in a conflict she did not feel was right. If my brother had been killed during his time over there, i would have reacted in the same way. Except she is far braver than i am, and she took it to a national level. Good for her. She is a bitch for not wanting other mother's sons dying? That is a ridiculous comment. Cindy, like nearly every other person in this country who is not a stock holder in Haliburton, wants the war in Iraq to end. The only place we all differ on is how and when. It has nothing to do with being unpatriotic, and the only people who actually believe this are the ignorant. You think the politcians really think Cindy is unpatriotic? It's called spin. They want you to think that about her, cause it villifies her to the ignorant in this country, who, judging by the number of votes Bush got in the last election, are around in vast amounts. This administration should be thankful there aren't more Cindy's out there. Then they might actually have to admit they have not handled this well. You are better than a comment like that Rob. Being patriotic means "expressing love or pride for your country." This has nothing to do with wanting the troops out of Iraq. It has everything to do with wanting an administration that actually reflects the beliefs of its citizens, and doesn't actively lie to them. Something to actually be proud of.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:I don't understand your response. Isn't what a pretty good propoganda tactic? Trying to convince people that a woman is cheering for the people who killed her son? No, not really.
Pretty good propoganda tactic isn't it?
Originally posted by redsock:Which comment was that, I've written alot today. I don't remember saying she wasn't patriotic, but I don't remember saying she was either. I just wish I knew how her son felt about the war. Something tells me it wasn't the same view as hers. I guess not everyone is like my mother cause if someone like Cindy came up to my mother with her beliefs and wanting her to do her little protest with her if I had been deceased in this war, your damn right my mother would put a boot to her face and probably more than once. Then a couple of the neighbors would join her. There's no way she would let her insult or embarass my memory. But like I said, I guess some people are stronger than others……And have lives. :roll:
You are better than a comment like that Rob.
Can you please explain to me how this insults or embarasses anybody's memory? If you start from the point that this started from - "I want an explanation for why my son died" - please tell me why that's insulting to anybody's memory.
Yes, it has become bigger than that, and I mentioned earlier today that the protest is joined by a lot of people who have made it more than it originally was - "bring the troops home NOW" is a simplified message that is latching on to the bigger picture.
But explain why wanting an answer to the original question embarasses anybody's memory.
Yes, it has become bigger than that, and I mentioned earlier today that the protest is joined by a lot of people who have made it more than it originally was - "bring the troops home NOW" is a simplified message that is latching on to the bigger picture.
But explain why wanting an answer to the original question embarasses anybody's memory.
Originally posted by callat703:Because now when people hear his name they won't think of all the good things he's done and how he fought for his country, they will think how Mommy made a spectacle out of it. How, it's all about her. Her five seconds of fame. If she just "wanted an answer", all's she would have to do is right to her congressman or the President himself like Andy Dufresne did to the governor for library funds, once or twice a week until someone got sick of him and answered him back with the funds. It's that simple.
Can you please explain to me how this insults or embarasses anybody's memory? If you start from the point that this started from - "I want an explanation for why my son died" - please tell me why that's insulting to anybody's memory.
Yes, it has become bigger than that, and I mentioned earlier today that the protest is joined by a lot of people who have made it more than it originally was - "bring the troops home NOW" is a simplified message that is latching on to the bigger picture.
But explain why wanting an answer to the original question embarasses anybody's memory.
Because now when people hear his name they won't think of all the good things he's done and how he fought for his country, they will think how Mommy made a spectacle out of it. How, it's all about her. Her five seconds of fame. If she just "wanted an answer", all's she would have to do is right to her congressman or the President himself like Andy Dufresne did to the governor for library funds, once or twice a week until someone got sick of him and answered him back with the funds. It's that simple.I think this is a rather simplistic view of things. Now when people hear his name, they'll be able to know something about what he's done, who he was, and what he went to war for. It also identifies the people that loved and cared about him, and the people that he left behind when he died. He's no longer one name of 1,900 - he has an identity that puts a real face on the casualties of this war. In a sense, he's become a symbol of the very sacrifices and positive things that you're talking about. It reminds Americans that soldiers aren't faceless drones without attachments to people here at home.
And write letters to your congressmen? You're comparing a dead son to getting books for a prison library in a fictional movie (albeit a very good one)? Come on Rob.
Originally posted by callat703:
You're comparing a dead son to getting books for a prison library in a fictional movie (albeit a very good one)?Are you telling me that wasn't based on a true story??????? Damnit!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:If by "true story" you mean I have, in fact, climbed thru 500 yards of poop, then yes, it is true.
Are you telling me that wasn't based on a true story??????? Damnit!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:Morgan Freeman to this day probably still doesn't know how any man could do that.
If by "true story" you mean I have, in fact, climbed thru 500 yards of poop, then yes, it is true. [/QB]
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:I'm sure there's an anal sex joke somewhere in here, but I, for the life of me, don't have the heart to look for it.
Morgan Freeman to this day probably still doesn't know how any man could do that.
It's my personal belief that there is nothing more rock and roll than the first amendment. I wonder what the neo-cons would say today about the civil disbobedience of Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi, Malcolm X etc. Moreover, I think the following quotes seem to fit the Forum discussion.:
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Thomas Jefferson
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Thomas Jefferson
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Originally posted by jardison:whoops, wrong thread. sorry bout that. back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Moreover, I think the following quotes seem to fit the Forum discussion.:
"The government that governs best, governs least."
Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by jardison:
I think the following quotes seem to fit the Forum discussion.:
"That servant girl Sally Hemmings has one fine booty."
Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:QUICK SOMEONE CENSOR IT!! IT MIGHT BE TOO OFF-COLOUR FOR SOME'S SENSITIVE SENSIBILITIES!!
I think the following quotes seem to fit the Forum discussion.:
"That servant girl Sally Hemmings has one fine booty."
Thomas Jefferson
ok, we get it.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:Don't you have some algebra homework to do?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:QUICK SOMEONE CENSOR IT!! IT MIGHT BE TOO OFF-COLOUR FOR SOME'S SENSITIVE SENSIBILITIES!!
I think the following quotes seem to fit the Forum discussion.:
"That servant girl Sally Hemmings has one fine booty."
Thomas Jefferson
I guess not everyone is like my mother cause if someone like Cindy came up to my mother with her beliefs and wanting her to do her little protest with her if I had been deceased in this war, your damn right my mother would put a boot to her face and probably more than once. Then a couple of the neighbors would join her. [/qb]Sound like you got some violent kin-folk. Were you raised in some sort of skinhead commune or something?