Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever

I don't doubt that Bush's spending has been that high.

Originally posted by Bags:
Anyone see the debate last night? I missed it, though I hope to catch it and PBS' "Choice 2004" over the weekend on video.

it was a lot of the same, i was flipping between baseball and the debate, but from what I saw and what they said afterward there was nothing really surprising

btw, which channel did people watch them on, I found ABC did a really good job, they did not have any spinners on afterward

What's up with all these clipboard-toting people asking if I want to talk about John Kerry?

I swear, you can't spit in this city without hitting one. Believe me, I've tried.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
What's up with all these clipboard-toting people asking if I want to talk about John Kerry?

I swear, you can't spit in this city without hitting one. Believe me, I've tried.

they are annoying, it is especially fun when they are very close, like when you walk down connecticut and you get one north of dupont and another south of dupont

PIRG has a bunch too. I'm not sure what PIRG stands for but from what I understand, they are a clearinghouse of sorts for protest groups.

Did anyone see the SwiftVet Leader on Nightline last night? What a tool…

Originally posted by econo:
PIRG has a bunch too. I'm not sure what PIRG stands for but from what I understand, they are a clearinghouse of sorts for protest groups.

Public Interest Research Group

I think the Cheney's screaming about Kerry mentioning their lesbian daughter is ridiculous. If you watched the debate, I really didn't think Kerry was being mean spirited at all. It wasn't one of those moments where after he said something I was like a little kid yelling "oooooooohhh!" I don't know if the problem over Kerry outing Mary Cheney or what, because she has already been outed. It's like the Republicans are trying to spin this into something that it wasn't. Surprise, surprise!

i'm off to see John Edwards, No Loyaly oath or eassy required…

The whole time I watched this, I thought for sure that something was going to happen to the people walking down the pathway, like getting bitten by that rabid squirrel that ran by.

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Some funny stuff

Every time I see a picture of W, he's wearing pleated pants. PLEATED PANTS! Talk about being "out of touch"!

Originally posted by ggw™:
I've said that I'm not at all satisfied with the way Bush has run the war. I think he should have listened more to Powell (If you go in, do it with overwhelming force) and less to Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz (We can get this done quickly and cheaply).

But on the issue of Iraq possessing WMD, I don't think one can say Bush was mistaken unless one also says Kerry was mistaken, Al Gore was mistaken, Hillary Clinton was mistaken, the United Kingdom was mistaken, Russia was mistaken, Germany was mistaken, etc….

The disagreement wasn't about whether Iraq had the capacity for building weapons. The disagreement between the U.S. and other nations was whether a military solution was warranted or whether inspections would keep him in check.

I don't think there is evidence that he "manipulated" information. Did he "spin" it? Sure. I think the chances that Bush faked intelligence or suppressed contrary evidence so successfully that he not only fooled his domestic opposition but many foreign intelligence agencies also, to be highly, highly unlikely.

The Clinton Administration believed that Iraq still had the capacity to build WMD. As did non-US intelligence sources. If you want to criticize everybody for being wrong on the intelligence that's entirely fair. However, the practice seems to be to blame "Bush" alone. If you want to blame Bush for being too aggressive or for not giving inspections more of achance, that's fair also. But this whole "Bush lied about WMD" is a sham.

I could find several other things on which to criticize Bush. The "Bush Doctrine" for instance, may well be the stupidest foreign policy ever enacted. As Kerry pointed out, the U.S. always reserved the right to act alone and strike first if we felt it was necessary. There was no need to put it down in writing and piss people off.

I also think Bush has been spending too much money. However, I chalk that up to first-term campaigning. If he were to be elected to a second term (which I find highly unlikely) spending would come way down.

Originally posted by Barcelona:
ggw, have you ever criticized Bush on this board or admitted that he might have been mistaken? Even The Economist has been critical of Bush (even though they supported him at the beginning). You should at least admit that there is a chance that this people were so eager to go to war against Saddam that they might have manipulated information to make the case. You deny this? Don't you see a chance that this might have happened?

Not that I believe on all these neoconservative conspiracies, I don't have enough information (although I am inclined to think that Bush is influenced by a group of far-right people). I think they might have manipulated information, I recall that issue over the leak regarding a CIA undercover official or somehthing like this, which was related to some flawed information about some nuclear stuff being shipped to somewhere in Africa (Nigeria, Niger? don't remember the country). Anyway, I believe that more than 1,000 American troops have been killed in Irak and up to 10,000 or 15,000 Irakis by some estimates have been killed in a war where all the arguments to go to war have proved to be wrong. I believe all these deaths due to wrong beliefs of WMD or wrong links with Al-Qaida require some resignations, to me Bush should resign because he took the risk to go to war and not only those arguments were wrong, but he has made the world more dangerous than it was before September 11 (although someone could argue that the world is safer now, I don't have data to back up my argument that we live in a more unsecure world than before September 11), I just think there should be an investigation to see if the Bush administration manipulated information, I think that the analysis done by that 9/11 commission was not enough, there should be responsabilities.

By the way, the thing I like the least about this Republican Party? this "Compassionate conservatism" that they claim, I hate this term, I think Bush can be anything but compassionate. And the reference in the last debate that Bush felt that people pray for him, that made me think that this guy is just crazy.

Sinclair Broadcasting stock is still getting pounded… The company is carrying a huge debt in order to buy all those TV stations, and making marginal profit to support that debt. And now it's going to get hit with a stockholders lawsuit regarding insider trading. and yes i've become addicted to dailykos.com

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
and yes i've become addicted to dailykos.com

dailykosmo.com ?

kos, atrios, pandagon, tpm - they're all great!

Originally posted by marquee smith:

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
and yes i've become addicted to dailykos.com

dailykosmo.com ?

From the W. Post:

Sinclair Fires Critic of Plan to Broadcast Anti-Kerry Film
By Howard Kurtz, Page C01

The Washington bureau chief of Sinclair Broadcast Group was fired yesterday after accusing the media company of "indefensible" conduct for planning to air a movie attacking Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam record in the coming days.

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