Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever

Testify brother.

Thirsty is a closet Republican.

Originally posted by econo:
To further make you all think I'm a loon, I believe government should be far more local than it already is. Put more trust in States, hell, Counties even.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
theocratic beliefs?

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The Bush Theocracy

By Beto Segovia

America's president, George W. Bush, God bless him and God help the world, talks with God before he makes important decisions. Needless to say, based on his record, he doesn't fully understands the Divine. What he does understand, however, is fundamentalist Christianity. In Houston, at a recent interview, he stated that the doors of Heaven are only open to those who accept Jesus Christ, Christianity, as their religion. So much for Muslims, Hindus, Jews and, of course, the agnostics.

The Republican party is now infested with the descendants of the KKK who inhabit the bible belt along the southern states of America. Christian right fundamentalists - Robertson, Buchanan, Ashcroft - regardless of their actual residence are the controlling leadership of the Republican party. By capturing and controlling the party they have set the road map that guides the Republican platform, which is essentially, anti-abortion, anti-stem research, anti same couple unions … anti United Nations, pro imperialistic, pro unilateral international policies … additionally, supremacy of government over its citizens.

The Christian right Republican party has become a theocracy with Bush as its 'Pope' and Ashcroft as its enforcer. Not much unlike the regimes that the 'Pope' is seeking to replace. Preaching Christianity, democracy and patriotism to camouflage the invasion of human rights and civil liberties, unwarranted military intervention and civilian casualties, the theocracy sells its agenda to the gullible, trusting American who regrettably is guided by bullet sounds, slogans and the appeal to God and Country.

What is most perplexing about the new Republican Party is its dramatic departure from the policies and values that were the linchpin of the faithful: States rights, individual rights and liberties, separation of church and state, non-intervention in foreign entanglements, limitation of Federal government interference with the states and citizens … The Theocracy now wants to override the Constitutional right of the States to legislate on internal welfare issues, such as same sex unions; wants to invade the right of its citizens to decide on issues such as abortion by imposing government moral values on the individual, is funding 'faith' based groups to implement the above and to form political cells to support the theocracy and its candidates.

It's a sorry state of affairs for the once noble Republican Party. But worse, it's a calamity to Americans and the international community. God help us!

Originally posted by grotty:
but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.

Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess. :roll:

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Markie is usually a bit smarter than the average person who trots out the empire accusation. The surprise is that he would make it. I hoped he would explain the thought process behind that belief.

Originally posted by pollard:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Just because the criticism isn't new does not mean it is valid.

I was not saying it was valid, your response seemed like one of surprise that the idea was even there

Right. Because before Bush took office, we were all sitting around sharing the hooka and singing Kumbayaa.

World Trade Center 1993
African Embassies 1998
Khobar Towers 1996

Originally posted by grotty:
All we hear about is the cost of the Iraqi war in terms of $$ and American lives, but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.

Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess. :roll:

That was just my stump speech. I'll be shaking hands outside of the Au Bon Pain later on to rake in some liberals.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Testify brother.

Thirsty is a closet Republican.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I find it hard to believe there are Republicans who are actually into indie rock.

I find it even harder to believe that there are Democrats who are into country music. :D

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Markie is usually a bit smarter than the average person who trots out the empire accusation. The surprise is that he would make it. I hoped he would explain the thought process behind that belief.

well i wont speak for Markie, but even just by looking at it from the point of view of a non-american who does not support the war, the US went in to a nation and toppled its government with little support from the rest of the world and was already wielding influence around the globe with little concern for who it affected, sounds like a little empire in waiting to me, it is not that far of a reach if you already have little respect or trust in the American government

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Right. Because before Bush took office, we were all sitting around sharing the hooka and singing Kumbayaa.

World Trade Center 1993
African Embassies 1998
Khobar Towers 1996

Originally posted by grotty:
All we hear about is the cost of the Iraqi war in terms of $$ and American lives, but the real 'cost' of this war and the way it's being managed won't be felt for years. Not until an entire generation of American-hating militant-leaning Middle Easterners come of age.

Bush will be long gone by then though. Someone else can deal with that mess. :roll:

Good point, but I think - "You ain't seen nothin' yet."

Sharing meth with Fundamentalists singing BTO? Wow!

Originally posted by grotty:
Good point, but I think - "You ain't seen nothin' yet."

If I were Markie, I'd be worried more about England jumping in with us.

Originally posted by pollard:
well i wont speak for Markie, but even just by looking at it from the point of view of a non-american who does not support the war, the US went in to a nation and toppled its government with little support from the rest of the world and was already wielding influence around the globe with little concern for who it affected, sounds like a little empire in waiting to me, it is not that far of a reach if you already have little respect or trust in the American government

Originally posted by econo:
If I were Markie, I'd be worried more about England jumping in with us.

I am sure he is

Originally posted by pollard:
well i wont speak for Markie, but even just by looking at it from the point of view of a non-american who does not support the war, the US went in to a nation and toppled its government with little support from the rest of the world and was already wielding influence around the globe with little concern for who it affected, sounds like a little empire in waiting to me, it is not that far of a reach if you already have little respect or trust in the American government

i dont see why you have to be non-american to think that way.

i was talking to a doodle friend of mine about this the other day, and he was saying that america was better than everyone else. and i said…"why do you feel the need to say you are 'better' than someone else" and it seems like a common train of thought for people here.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i dont see why you have to be non-american to think that way.

you don't, was just saying it would be easier for a non-american to come to that conclusion, growing up as an American, or really just in America, you are told again and again to believe certain things about America, the same way a person who grows up in a religious family is more likely to believe in god

I love the fact that people accuse the Republicans of being in the KKK, even though the only man to hold KKK membership and currently be in the Congress is Robert Byrd - Democrat.

Originally posted by grotty:
The Republican party is now infested with the descendants of the KKK who inhabit the bible belt along the southern states of America.

Whoo, just what I need, more reasons to be completely convinced that we're screwed no matter what. It was a good article, and the bit at the end about lack of choice is telling. I'm mostly republican due to my opinion that "conservative, responsible spending" is the best way to go. That and less tax, hence more consumer spending power. Basic stuff, yet is any of it really working? Even if the republican party isn't working the way it should anymore, I sure as heck can't join the democrats. So who all is running away to Canada? I may join you! :cool:

Whoo, just what I need, more reasons to be completely convinced that we're screwed no matter what. It was a good article, and the bit at the end about lack of choice is telling. I'm mostly republican due to my opinion that "conservative, responsible spending" is the best way to go. That and less tax, hence more consumer spending power. Basic stuff, yet is any of it really working? Even if the republican party isn't working the way it should anymore, I sure as heck can't join the democrats. So who all is running away to Canada? I may join you! :cool:

geeze! i actually have to do some work for 20 minutes or so and i'm already a full page behind in this thread!

Ok, thanks for Pollard, in trying to answer in my lunch-break.

I think that going into Iraq and not planning on leaving could be considered building an empire. Kerry plans on leaving, I dont really think Bush does. Hence no exit strategy….?

This election could be fought on much worse battlegrounds.

Personally I dont care if they want to build an empire. I wish they would be more upfront about it.

As for Tony, well when Bush said last night (to paraphrase) " We have many great allies, including, umm, errr, umm,errr, Tony Blair" I really wished Tony would have his heart attack right at that point.

The biggest Republican complaint about Clinton's plan to go into Kosovo was that he "didn't have an exit strategy."

It's a political ploy. If you set a timetable, you are open to criticism that you are tying yourself to a schedule rather than to accomplishing the task. If you say "we'll stay until the job is done" then you open yourself up to accusations that you lack an exit strategy.

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
I think that going into Iraq and not planning on leaving could be considered building an empire. Kerry plans on leaving, I dont really think Bush does. Hence no exit strategy….?