hitman
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 04, 2004 at 02:00 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by hitman:
People want all the shit the govt. does for free. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up and just pay the damn taxes!
While it is politically convenient to paint anyone that wants lower taxes as a simple greedy whore, it masks the larger issues. Not everyone wants "all the shit govt. does."
I don't want the government running my healthcare. I don't want them in my retirement savings. I don't want them paying billions in sugar subsidies, or corn subsidies, or funding an emergency wool and mohair program in case there is an interruption of imported fabric. I think we could all find dozens of things the government does that none of us want or need.
The government shouldn't be doing those things that people could better do for themselves. Not only for financial reasons, but also because an increasing reliance on government ultimately undermines true community, where people should be looking out for their common good among themselves.
Granted, there are areas that you speak of where things could be trimmed. However, that is such a small percentage of the whole, that even if you cut those things, it isn't going to make that much of a dent.
You put a lot of faith into the fact that people can do better for themselves. I don't have that much faith in society as a whole. Especially your feelings on community. We live in a very ME society in general. And whatever tax cuts are acheived just go to folks to buy bigger SUV's and rims to put on them. Not necessarily a charitable donation, or to pay down debt.
hitman
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 04, 2004 at 02:07 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The biggest Republican complaint about Clinton's plan to go into Kosovo was that he "didn't have an exit strategy."
It's a political ploy. If you set a timetable, you are open to criticism that you are tying yourself to a schedule rather than to accomplishing the task. If you say "we'll stay until the job is done" then you open yourself up to accusations that you lack an exit strategy.
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
I think that going into Iraq and not planning on leaving could be considered building an empire. Kerry plans on leaving, I dont really think Bush does. Hence no exit strategy….?
1000 troops weren't killed in Kosovo, or in Somalia for that matter. Not to mention the civilian body count.
hitman
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 04, 2004 at 02:09 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Seems that it's the Republicans are the ones spending irresponsibly and running up the deficit.
I seem to remember a more balanced budget and better economy under Clinton.
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hitman
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 05, 2004 at 04:41 PM UTC
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
Was glad Dale Earnhardt died…
It's hard...
I'm an avid watcher of Bill Maher, whether it was on Politically Incorrect, or now on Real Time. This episode was great with Carlin, and with this skit on the Fox Facts.
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 05, 2004 at 04:48 PM UTC
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to "Anybody who is undecided, if you think about it, being undecided is really dangerous, and I have a perfect example: people with mullets."
E Vedder
10/1 Reading, PA
Rhett Miller
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 05, 2004 at 05:11 PM UTC
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He has a lot of nerve, mocking any haircut, after sporting this one:
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Originally posted by grotty:
to "Anybody who is undecided, if you think about it, being undecided is really dangerous, and I have a perfect example: people with mullets."
E Vedder
10/1 Reading, PA
Fico
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 05, 2004 at 06:25 PM UTC
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The saddest thing of all is that through this 4-page thread nobody has mentioned the killings of more than 20k CIVILIANS..it's shame to humanity as a whole that thousands upon thousands of innocent civilans have met their end so violently in this day in age…
Rhett Miller
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 05, 2004 at 06:32 PM UTC
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You are right.
But you gotta admit, Eddie Vedder's mohawk is a close second.
Originally posted by Fico:
The saddest thing of all is that through this 4-page thread nobody has mentioned the killings of more than 20k CIVILIANS..it's shame to humanity as a whole that thousands upon thousands of innocent civilans have met their end so violently in this day in age…
ratioci nation
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 01:57 AM UTC
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pains me to say it, but i think cheney is probably making a better impression on undecideds than Edwards
the tone of this debate is much worse
chaz
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 02:03 AM UTC
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Originally posted by pollard:
pains me to say it, but i think cheney is probably making a better impression on undecideds than Edwards
the tone of this debate is much worse
I dunno….I thought that Edwards came out of the gate great….been evening up since then. Overall I give Edwards the edge so far.
ratioci nation
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 02:08 AM UTC
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i just thought Edwards was pulling a Bush and answering the same way to everything at the start, and Cheney seems calm and confident, it is a very different presentation from the 2, just trying to see how a non-partisan would see it, hard to tell
chaz
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 02:11 AM UTC
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I agree it's hard to view it from a non-partisan viewpoint. It'll be interesting to see in the AM what kind of spin they put on the whole thing.
One thing's for sure, Cheney's got the brains of the ticket and Bush got the shit for brains.
ggw
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 03:35 AM UTC
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Everyone chant with me:
Dick!
Dick!
Dick!
Dick!
Random Citizen
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 03:38 AM UTC
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Did anyone else get the feeling Cheney wanted to add "Fuck off!" to his brief comment thanking the Fun Uncle for bringing up his gay daughter? :D
ggw
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 03:43 AM UTC
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I think Cheney wanted to use the "fuck off" rebuttal on several occasions.
I'm surprised Edwards didn't do better. We all know Cheney's a wonk, but I thought Edwards would look more relaxed and sure of himself and less rehearsed.
All in all, much more entertaining than the presidential debate.
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 03:51 AM UTC
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I started dozing off towards the middle. I think it was the format of having them sit down. It reminded me of those informercials with Kevin Trudeau trying to sell fiber pills.
hitman
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Re: Frankensteins monster vs Someone who is not very clever
October 06, 2004 at 05:05 AM UTC
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I thought Edwards did great. He never shrugged off responding like Cheney did a few times. And so far Edwards is the only one to bring up and challenge Cheney on Halliburton, and Cheney's own record for voting against Defense initiatives in the 80's (those same Def. initiatives that he loves to talk so much about now).
