Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:ok ok ok ok i get your point!!! :o however, when youre downloading songs, you own the computer, and all of the equipment that came with it. i know you said something about this before and how we don't own the rights to the songs, but with the xm, you cant steal the signal because you need to have the xm radio itself installed in your car or house to even receive one. without the radio unit, the signal is worthless.
Let's say they found a way to steal the signal for only one or two stations. Is it fair now?
Because, they could say that those are the only two stations they want to listen to, and it isn't fair that they have to pay for the whole product when they only want a part of it. And since you won't sell them just those two stations at the price they are willing to pay for it, then it's not really stealing, and even if it is, it's your fault that they are stealing it since you won't give them exactly what they want at exactly the price they want to pay.
Is the RIAA suing you?
Says you…
Originally posted by paige:
but with the xm, you cant steal the signal because you need to have the xm radio itself installed in your car or house to even receive one. without the radio unit, the signal is worthless.
Originally posted by thirsty moore:ok, to my knowledge that is not possible, im not very technologically inclined… what do YOU know about that, thirsty?!
Says you…
Originally posted by paige:
but with the xm, you cant steal the signal because you need to have the xm radio itself installed in your car or house to even receive one. without the radio unit, the signal is worthless.
Telephone wire, a pair of braces, and a perfectly placed cloud.
Strangeways, Here I Come!
Originally posted by thirsty moore:once markie gets his he can be the recipient of his own xm radio! YAY!
a pair of braces
Originally posted by paige:Suppose Thirsty concocted this little thigamajig that rebroadcasts XM stations onto AM wavelengths. I could say that Thirsty is just "sharing" his XM stations with me. I haven't really "stolen" anything from you, since you are broadcasting that station regardless of whether I tapped into it or not. Plus, you aren't losing any money because I wouldn't have bought your stupid XM radio anyway. And I already paid for the car and the house and the stereo.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:ok ok ok ok i get your point!!! :o however, when youre downloading songs, you own the computer, and all of the equipment that came with it. i know you said something about this before and how we don't own the rights to the songs, but with the xm, you cant steal the signal because you need to have the xm radio itself installed in your car or house to even receive one. without the radio unit, the signal is worthless.
Let's say they found a way to steal the signal for only one or two stations. Is it fair now?
Because, they could say that those are the only two stations they want to listen to, and it isn't fair that they have to pay for the whole product when they only want a part of it. And since you won't sell them just those two stations at the price they are willing to pay for it, then it's not really stealing, and even if it is, it's your fault that they are stealing it since you won't give them exactly what they want at exactly the price they want to pay.
Hey GGW, you're wearing one of those powedered wigs aren't you.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:i surrender! enough heckling. you win. :(
Suppose Thirsty concocted this little thigamajig that rebroadcasts XM stations onto AM wavelengths. I could say that Thirsty is just "sharing" his XM stations with me. I haven't really "stolen" anything from you, since you are broadcasting that station regardless of whether I tapped into it or not. Plus, you aren't losing any money because I wouldn't have bought your stupid XM radio anyway. And I already paid for the car and the house and the stereo.
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
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As a reformed thieving bastard, I feel that I have fully reintegrated myself into society:)
Well, there is that sexual offenders registry issue, but we'll let that slide…welcome back to society, just stay the hell away from my Kathleen and Rory!
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That's exactly what I pictured. You think ol' Chauncey has ever downloaded a song?
Originally posted by thirsty moore:Wouldn't be proper.
That's exactly what I pictured. You think ol' Chauncey has ever downloaded a song?
Let me create a scenario….I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show. Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?
I dont have all of the money in the world, i cant buy ALL of the music I want AND go see it live….so the msuci industry can take thier pick, i can buy all the CDs and never go to a show…or i can go to some shows and download some music….well, they are still getting the same amount of money from me.
I dont have all of the money in the world, i cant buy ALL of the music I want AND go see it live….so the msuci industry can take thier pick, i can buy all the CDs and never go to a show…or i can go to some shows and download some music….well, they are still getting the same amount of money from me.
I at one time was under the belief that downloading was unethical, but now think very differently and am far from throwing in the towel on this debate. Let's get our heads out of the "law" part of this. The law is as ambiguous as it gets and is just guided (or mis) by current philosophy. So you mean to tell me we have reached a point where artists are going after people who want to hear their music? What 99% of the bands on the planet would do for that scenario. We are being outcast by sound of all things. I think the best analogy would be Ferrari suing me for experiencing extreme delight at their expense simply by looking at their cars (light waves that belong to someone else)… because I didn't pay for it. This is totally disregarding the fact that because of this delight I might buy t-shirts, tell someone else of my delight, or heaven forbid be fortunate enough to one day drive or own one. It's digital sound for crying out loud! And that it is somehow illegal for me to listen to it? What about the concerts, t-shirts, and (once again) heaven forbid a CD that cost in a price range that makes any other way of accessing the "sound" foolish. Back to the law: if enough people support this logic and we understand that big execs with lots of money control current guidlines… the laws can be changed (or viewed) to make this debate a forgone conclusion. We can fuss over many incidentals between there and here, but the bottom line is… it is insane to criminalize people for listening to music. If you want to profit from it, check the technology and adjust your marketing… it's that simple.
Originally posted by myuman:Listening to music isn't criminalized, only stealing it is.
… it is insane to criminalize people for listening to music.
Originally posted by myuman:So if a girl doesn't want to be raped, she should just give it up. It's that simple.
If you want to profit from it, check the technology and adjust your marketing… it's that simple.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:justify all you want, but if you are downloading a song which has not be released by the copywriter holder for download for either free or by purchase, it's illegal.
Let me create a scenario….I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show. Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?
I dont have all of the money in the world, i cant buy ALL of the music I want AND go see it live….so the msuci industry can take thier pick, i can buy all the CDs and never go to a show…or i can go to some shows and download some music….well, they are still getting the same amount of money from me.
the thing is there is no one size fits all solution in a environment where everyone wants to acquire content their own way. personally i would like to have access a vast electronic library i can subscribe to for unlimited sampling etc. emusic is a start but not complete by any means. itunes is expensive away to pay for the digital rights to music for the serious record buyer, given the fact that i might also like to own the physcial product as well.
I would have to say that if i was in a band I would rather people NOT listen to my music at all if they arent paying for it. I mean, shit, if they dont have the money or the decency to pay me for what i did, then they shouldnt even be listening.
If someone enjoys my music, then they should pay me, none of this free indulging crap, PAY ME……come on, really
How genuinely American!
If someone enjoys my music, then they should pay me, none of this free indulging crap, PAY ME……come on, really
How genuinely American!
myuman…listen to it on your pooter all you want. As soon as you download it or burn a cd, you've nicked it!
Looking at the Ferrari is like listening to the song….burning the cd is driving the Ferrari away.
Sonickteam…I don't agree with your point either…if I steal a pair of Levis from the store, then like them so much I go back and buy another pair…have I stolen something?
It's like those who get cable tv without paying for it. They're stealing, but what EXACTLY are they stealing? It doesn't matter..they're still stealing.
Looking at the Ferrari is like listening to the song….burning the cd is driving the Ferrari away.
Sonickteam…I don't agree with your point either…if I steal a pair of Levis from the store, then like them so much I go back and buy another pair…have I stolen something?
It's like those who get cable tv without paying for it. They're stealing, but what EXACTLY are they stealing? It doesn't matter..they're still stealing.
Originally posted by myuman:Poor analogy. A better analogy is computer software. You should pay for it right? Downloading it from a peer to peer is also illegal.
Ferrari
I do believe people and companies should profit from their creations.