Is the RIAA suing you?

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
From what I remember working there, it's not legal to own the CD and still download the songs. But you can always check www.riaa.com.

ERROR: 400
Incorrect hostname.


What happens if you buy the CD rip it, then the CD becomes lost or stolen, is that illegal?

Originally posted by markie:

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
From what I remember working there, it's not legal to own the CD and still download the songs. But you can always check www.riaa.com.

ERROR: 400
Incorrect hostname.


What happens if you buy the CD rip it, then the CD becomes lost or stolen, is that illegal?

or if you loan it to your mate, but that wallie loses it and you still have it downloaded on your computer but you didn't keep the receipt from when you actually purchased the cd, is that legal?

OR!
you buy the cd..it's defective but the bastards at Tower won't let you exchange it so you go home and "share" it on your computer then burn a cd, is that legal?

I think there should be a system where you can download an album, but not have to pay for it unless you listen to it more than 5 or 10 times. If something is junk…you shouldn't have to pay for it. Then you can try out more because you aren't out $15 for a CD/mp3 that ends up sucking or not standing the test of time.

If you could return opened cd's, that's one thing. When I buy a digital camera and try it out but it's not the right thing for me, then I can return it. But you can't do that with music that you buy. I can't get a good feeling for an album just by "previewing" it. I need to walk to work with it on my ipod or listen to it in my car.

So downloading music fills in this "trial period" gap. I buy any album that grows on me after mp3 listenings. (before this…i would spend about $100-$200 a month on cd's, at least half of which i'd sell used in a year).

Another question…which is worse: downloading mp3's of an album or buying the album used?

Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
Another question…which is worse: downloading mp3's of an album or buying the album used?

that's not really relevant…it's completely legal to buy a used CD

The RIAA site is probably getting hacked daily because of their recent actions.

Originally posted by markie:

ERROR: 400
Incorrect hostname.

What happens if you buy the CD rip it, then the CD becomes lost or stolen, is that illegal? [/QB]

no

under fair use you can rip or copy the cd for personal use… if you couldn't then ipod and any other mp3 playing devices would be illegal. so having a mp3s of a personal cd which is lost or stolen would not be considered illegal because would be your archival copy of the orginial.

the whole point of what the riaa is doing is to make a stand and saying that music should not be considered free and are setting out to prove their point.

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
The RIAA site is probably getting hacked daily because of their recent actions.

the address just doesnt have a period on the end of it www.riaa.org

Ah, a slip on my part. However, recently the site has been down numerous times.

What if you go out and buy a CD and then rip it onto your computer and then return the CD to where you bought it? And then go home and "share" it. Is that legal?

oh, and i have a comment on used Cds. so…someone buys a CD, listens to it, and then doesnt like it, or needs heroin money, sells it back and then you buy it for $6. Thats not giving any money to RIAA…so for all intents and purposes its the same right? I mean, we dont even keep inventory of used CDs so we can't know which used CDs we have bought/sold.
So just because we are paying for it makes it legal…even if we arent paying the artist OR the label.
so in that case, if i CHARGE people to download my stuff on Kazaa , then is THAT legal?

I own over 3.000 vinyl albums and about the same amount of cd's. All of the vinyl and most of the cd's are still in the states because it would cost a small fortune to ship them over to England. If I download songs or albums that I've already bought once, but because of logistics, don't have access to the originals, am I a thief? If so, like Thom Yorke says…"Hail To The Thief"!

Mankie, if you would have downloaded a couple of those Interpol songs, you wouldn't have wasted $15 on the full length. Maybe that's what the record companies are afraid of! Out of curiosity, are your Rain Band, Elbow and I Am Kloot cd's store bought originals or copies? If they're copies, are they copies of downloaded songs? Is that illegal too?

Are promotional cd's illegal to buy? Can I go to jail or fined for buying them too? Maybe the RIAA should concentrate on the technology that enables songs to be ripped into mp3 files. They're about to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Originally posted by Yank:
Are promotional cd's illegal to buy? Can I go to jail or fined for buying them too? Maybe the RIAA should concentrate on the technology that enables songs to be ripped into mp3 files. They're about to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Here's the dirty little not so secret pratice which shows why the record industry really doesn't care about their artists and making money.

I understand why promos are important but when the market is so flooded by them that the just end up in the bargin bins for less than the price of a used cd. Of course neither the artist or the record company is making money when the promos get sold.

The record companies and the artists should be taking advantage of the new distribution system the internet provides. Charge a flat subscription fee for those of us who would normally seek out the cut rate promos. That way there is still money coming in and would get value to the digital version of the record and also in the process possibly lower the price of the physical product because people are contributing money in different ways.

Originally posted by Yank:
I own over 3.000 vinyl albums and about the same amount of cd's. All of the vinyl and most of the cd's are still in the states because it would cost a small fortune to ship them over to England. If I download songs or albums that I've already bought once, but because of logistics, don't have access to the originals, am I a thief? If so, like Thom Yorke says…"Hail To The Thief"!

Mankie, if you would have downloaded a couple of those Interpol songs, you wouldn't have wasted $15 on the full length. Maybe that's what the record companies are afraid of! Out of curiosity, are your Rain Band, Elbow and I Am Kloot cd's store bought originals or copies? If they're copies, are they copies of downloaded songs? Is that illegal too?

Are promotional cd's illegal to buy? Can I go to jail or fined for buying them too? Maybe the RIAA should concentrate on the technology that enables songs to be ripped into mp3 files. They're about to cut off their nose to spite their face.

I got the cd's from a friend…I assume she burned them from her private collection that she bought…or at least were given by the band or someone connected to the band, ;) Anyway, you've lived in the north west for long enough to know you never ask were it came from! :p

Look, I'm not being holier than thou on this issue, I'm just trying to get people to understand/admit that it is stealing, regardless of whatever creative name they can come up with for it. If you don't get caught then God bless, but if you do don't start whinging about it.

Originally posted by mankie:

Look, I'm not being holier than thou on this issue, I'm just trying to get people to understand/admit that it is stealing, regardless of whatever creative name they can come up with for it. If you don't get caught then God bless, but if you do don't start whinging about it. [/QB]

Very well put, better than anything I've come up with so far. Wisdom really does come with Age. ;)

what if you work in the music industry and you get hooked up with free cd's all the time because of who you know and band's managers and what not? is it still stealing if they say it's ok? i think it is, based on what has been going on back and forth on this topic for 4 pages anyway.

404 is because the site is NOT .com it is .org!

http://www.riaa.com/

DOH!

It still stands that the stealers can come up with endless excuses to justify what they do. None of them will ever change the fact that they are stealing. You are stealing, I know it, you know it, the RIAA knows it, and the artist you are stealing from knows it. That is all there is to the whole discussion at all. End of story.


BTW, I was surprised and pleased to see that so many of you agreed with my original post of my views. I was not sure what kind of repies to expect.

(See you at the Eels show!)

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:

Originally posted by mankie:

Look, I'm not being holier than thou on this issue, I'm just trying to get people to understand/admit that it is stealing, regardless of whatever creative name they can come up with for it. If you don't get caught then God bless, but if you do don't start whinging about it.

Very well put, better than anything I've come up with so far. Wisdom really does come with Age. ;) [/QB]

So do hemorrhoids! ;)

to go along with Yank's comment about cd's from friends that are burned… i've noticed that on this board, a few of you have asked each other "will you have my cd's at the [insert band here] show?" and if i can recall, the aforementioned cd's were burned.. that's just as bad as downloading songs!

many bands do have ways to download songs directly through their website… but sigur ros encourages using p2p programs that are listen on their site as well… if some bands condone it and some don't, what is there to do?

Originally posted by RatBastard:
It still stands that the stealers can come up with endless excuses to justify what they do. None of them will ever change the fact that they are stealing. You are stealing, I know it, you know it, the RIAA knows it, and the artist you are stealing from knows it. That is all there is to the whole discussion at all. End of story.


BTW, I was surprised and pleased to see that so many of you agreed with my original post of my views. I was not sure what kind of repies to expect.

(See you at the Eels show!)

As mentioned earlier, driving down I95 at 70 mph is a crime. Jaywalking is crime in a lot of states (or at least it was). Drinking at the 930 Club during a show and then driving home afterwards is a crime too. I'm sure we can think of a lot more crimes that are committed daily by all of us so-called law abiding people. I'm not trying to justify downloading, but I won't be sanctimonious about it either. There sure are a lot of stone throwers around here.