ggw
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 05:45 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Let me create a scenario….I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show. Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?
Which is why there are label sites, band sites, mp3.com, insound, etc… — Not to mention radio, TV, listening stations, etc…
The issue is whether you have the right to take ownership of somebody else's property and distribute without any compensation to the owner.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I dont have all of the money in the world, i cant buy ALL of the music I want AND go see it live….so the msuci industry can take thier pick, i can buy all the CDs and never go to a show…or i can go to some shows and download some music….well, they are still getting the same amount of money from me.
I can't buy ALL the [insert absolutely any product here] I want. So they can just take as much money as I am willing to give them and let me have as much [insert absolutely any product here] as I want or else I'll just steal it from them.
markie
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 05:49 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[qb] Let me create a scenario….I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show. Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?
would that actually be a crime though. I mean you own the right to have the songs as Mp3s or whatever on your computer when you buy the CD.
What happens if you buy the CD and then download a song from it, that must be legal?
ggw
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 05:49 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I would have to say that if i was in a band I would rather people NOT listen to my music at all if they arent paying for it. I mean, shit, if they dont have the money or the decency to pay me for what i did, then they shouldnt even be listening.
If someone enjoys my music, then they should pay me, none of this free indulging crap, PAY ME……come on, really
How genuinely American!
If it was your band and your copyrighted work, you could give it away to whomever you wanted.
It's not your band, its not your copyrighted work, so you can't.
markie
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 05:59 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
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What happens if you buy the CD and then download a song from it, that must be legal?
I was just stating……[/QB]
I know I was trying to highlight the greyness.
For example if they caught you file downloading, but then when they came round your house they found you owned all the CDs for those files, is that illegal?
sonickteam2
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:01 PM UTC
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Wait. before i look like an evil file sharer…i dont have files available for upload on my computer. If someone would like to upload from me , they must contact me first. I WILL share, but not at will.
And i am on Kazaa like once every other week for like an hour….i get most of my stuff from Emusic.
just to clarify…
markie
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:01 PM UTC
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Originally posted by myuman:
Originally posted by markie:
I do believe people and companies should profit from their creations.
Agreed… but the haggling here is really about the amount.
I dont see it. these items are not necessities. You only get what you want and can afford to buy. Like GGW has been saying all along.
kosmo
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:07 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I was just stating that if i downloaded a song and then liked it, which caused me to go to a show or buy a CD of that band, then I "stole" from them. But that "stealing" is also the reason i have purchased a CD or ticket. hence, the gray area for this subject.
what the riaa, along with others on this board, is saying is there is no "grey" area. just because loads of people have done it dosen't make it right.
it's shame there aren't more artist like tim burgess out there. he's making available five of his songs from his solo record available to listen to. and download if you happen to know how to retrieve them from your cache. now is it illegal to have those files on my machine because i pulled them outta of my cache?
ggw
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:08 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Well, if didnt "steal" all of the songs i stole, then i wouldnt know about a lot of the bands that i have paid to go see or eventually bought thier CD. so….ok, i wont steal, but then i wont buy thier album or see thier show. NOW whos losing money…there is a gray area in this argument here…its not black and white stealing/shoplifting, you cant compare it to that.
Well, the manufacturers and distributors of [insert any product here] are not marketing their product to me in the most efficient manner, therefore I am justified in stealing their [insert any product here] from them and distributing [insert any product here] on my own without giving them any compensation.
Sorry, that argument still holds no water.
ggw
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:12 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Wait. before i look like an evil file sharer…i dont have files available for upload on my computer. If someone would like to upload from me , they must contact me first. I WILL share, but not at will.
Translation: I only distribute [insert any stolen item here] to people that contact me and tell me that they want [insert any stolen product here].
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
And i am on Kazaa like once every other week for like an hour….i get most of my stuff from Emusic.
just to clarify…
Translation: I only steal a little, so it's not really stealing…..just to clarify.
ggw
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:21 PM UTC
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Originally posted by myuman:
Agreed… but the haggling here is really about the amount. We pretty much have a concensus that 10 dollars will do it. Sure, the artists I guess could charge a $1000, but then I will be more inclined to use hardware that actually reads the portion of the cd that I do own, and share only that portion with others.
Translation: If I don't like the price of [insert any product here] then I am justified in stealing [insert any product here] and distributing it without compensating the rightful owner. If the owner of [insert any product here] doesn't like it, he can either accept the price I am offering him or accept that I'm just going to take it.
Face it dude, just because it's music and you do it on your computer doesn't mean you are any better or different than the common thief on the street. I'm sure the common mugger has a clear conscience as well.
ggw
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Re: Is the RIAA suing you?
August 01, 2003 at 06:26 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
But is going to a show after listening to a downloaded song "not any compensation" ? if i download 3 songs from a band, like them, and then pay $10 to see thier show, i call that…compensation.
The problem with your arguement is that you are stubborn :)
If Honda doesn't allow me to test drive one of their cars, chances are I'm not going to buy one and they are going to lose out on my purchase. But if Honda doesn't allow me to test drive the car. it doesn't make it ethical or legal for me to steal one off the lot.
The problem with my argument is that I am right :D
(The other problem is that we are talking about music, which people like yourself are very passionate about (rightfully so) and will often go to great lengths to get. But in the end, that passion doesn't mean that stealing isn't stealing.)