Fantasy Baseball

man my hitters are all in huge slumps … props to chimbly for staying near the top of the league…

yeah, but my good SP is on the DL. i'm slipping fast.

Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
i'm slipping fast.

And I'll just continue my steady rise to the top….

whatever.

Originally posted by pollardteam2:
of course i saw it, and I dont have or want a cell phone, and I have never claimed eckstein was a great signing, and I think the Cardinals way overpaid, they did not overpay as much as the Angels did for Cabrera though, but maybe we shouldn't take this thread on to baseball

Good point, I'll move it over here.

Jeter, Derek $19,600,000 Yankees
Tejada, Miguel $11,000,000 Orioles
Garciaparra, Nomar $8,250,000 Cubs
Renteria, Edgar $8,000,000 Red Sox
Matsui, Kazuo $7,033,333 Mets
Cabrera, Orlando $6,000,000 Angels
Furcal, Rafael $5,600,000 Braves
Polanco, Placido $4,600,000 Phillies
Guzman, Cristian $4,200,000 Nationals
Guillen, Carlos $4,000,000 Tigers
Rollins, Jimmy $3,850,000 Phillies
Valentin, Jose $3,500,000 Dodgers
Gonzalez, Alex $3,400,000 Marlins
Lugo, Julio $3,250,000 Devil Rays
Wilson, Jack $3,250,000 Pirates
Vizquel, Omar $3,250,000 Giants
Young, Mike $2,575,000 Rangers
Eckstein, David $2,333,333 Cardinals
Izturis, Cesar $2,150,000 Dodgers
Uribe, Juan $2,150,000 White Sox
Gonzalez, Alex $1,750,000 Devil Rays
Clayton, Royce $1,350,000 Diamondbacks
Cora, Alex $1,300,000 Indians
Vizcaino, Jose $1,250,000 Astros
Castro, Juan $1,000,000 Twins
Perez, Neifi $1,000,000 Cubs

I'm OK with $6 Mill for Cabrera, and I think I'd be ok with $2.3 for Eck. I'm glad we didn't pay $8 Mil for Renteria or $8.25 for Nomar, but damn, Texas got a steal in $2.4 for Micheal Young.

Cabrera's deal averages out to 8 mil per

Cards overpaid for Eckstein because they signed him for 3 years and could have had him for less

one of the few times Jocketty has jumped the gun, i guess because he was left without Renteria and Cabrera got way more than was expected

But the SS position is evolving in baseball. The more power they display and still flash the glove around, the more their going to make. Blame Jeter and A-Rod (and Tejada now), but wait until Crosby and Kahlil Greene's 6 years are up - then OC for $8 Mil won't be that bad.

Originally posted by vansmack:
But the SS position is evolving in baseball. The more power they display and still flash the glove around, the more their going to make. Blame Jeter and A-Rod (and Tejada now), but wait until Crosby and Kahlil Greene's 6 years are up - then OC for $8 Mil won't be that bad.

I guess I just dont expect the Angels to give out contracts like that, Yankees and Red Sox yes, they are run by morons. I guess the Angels have been big free agent players in recent years, I just dont like these deals that lead to players who dont deserve near that much money getting it because that is where the market is at. A year and a half ago NOBODY would have said Orlando Cabrera was worth 8 mil.

Originally posted by pollardteam2:
I guess I just dont expect the Angels to give out contracts like that

Oh, we're big market now, bro - didn't you get the memo? We have a new name and everything.

Seriously, you're right. I have lost a little perspective since the Vlad signing. It didn't take me long to get used to having an owner spend money like this, I guess. But boy, it's nice to watch him play in the field after 10 years of Eckstein and DiSarcina. Hell, we gave DiSarcina $3.2 Mil to play 12 games for us in 2000.

eckstein is most certainly worth 2mil+/yr … as you angels fans know, he's a sparkplug and a big + for team chemistry

guzman on the other hand … i could think of much better ways to spend 4mil for a "small market" team …

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
eckstein is most certainly worth 2mil+/yr … as you angels fans know, he's a sparkplug and a big + for team chemistry …

I don't mind him too much, I am much happier with Mulder and Eckstein than just having Renteria. They would not have made the mulder trade if they had signed a more expensive shortstop, just think they could have save a little there and somewhere else, and maybe tried to keep Steve Kline, Renteria kind of screwed everything up

Originally posted by vansmack:
Oh, we're big market now, bro - didn't you get the memo? We have a new name and everything.

Seriously, you're right. I have lost a little perspective since the Vlad signing. It didn't take me long to get used to having an owner spend money like this, I guess. But boy, it's nice to watch him play in the field after 10 years of Eckstein and DiSarcina. Hell, we gave DiSarcina $3.2 Mil to play 12 games for us in 2000.

I had forgot DiSarcina, wow was he bad, one of the worst video game hitters ever

Originally posted by pollardteam2:
I had forgot DiSarcina, wow was he bad, one of the worst video game hitters ever

He wasn't so good in real life either. I think he hit .300 once - a career .260 hitter.

Originally posted by BookerT:
even though octavio dotel was the only closer i drafted.

i hope you had him benched this week. :)

Speaking of shortstops, I thought this was interesting, won't last of course

Orlando Cabrera 8mil/Yr LA Angels:
 Avg    HR RBI Runs SB
 .230   3  10  11   2
 
 Edgar Respecteria 10mil/Yr BoSox:
 Avg    HR RBI Runs SB
 .246   2  10  16   2
 
 David Eckstein 3.5mil/Yr Cardinals
 Avg    HR RBI Runs SB
 .320   0  10  16   2 

heres what i think is interesting


Johnny Damon

Avg R RBI SB

.383 26 20 4

Originally posted by sonickteam3:

Johnny Damon

Avg R RBI SB

.383 26 20 4

You forgot a slugging % of .511. That means lots of singles and few HRs. Of his 54 hits, 40 have been singles. Might as well have David Eckstein at $2.3 Mil rather than Damon at $8.25 Mil.

Originally posted by pollardteam2:
Speaking of shortstops, I thought this was interesting, won't last of course

Offensively, Cabrera has been gawd awful. But we're paying Figgins $390K to do what Eck used to do for $2Mil, and I think we're making out better in the deal.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by sonickteam3:

Johnny Damon

Avg R RBI SB

.383 26 20 4

You forgot a slugging % of .511. That means lots of singles and few HRs. Of his 54 hits, 40 have been singles. Might as well have David Eckstein at $2.3 Mil rather than Damon at $8.25 Mil.

why? Ecksteins slugging is .377, and what does Damon need a .600+ SLG when he bats in front of Ramirez, Ortiz and Varitek who have a combined 24 home runs this year already.

you really want Eckstein playing centerfield? :)

Originally posted by sonickteam3:
why?

Economics. He's a table setter for Varitek, Ortiz and Ramirez? Which outfielder do you want setting the table for your big guys?

Johnny Damon: $8.25 Mil
Carl Crawford: $625K
Juan Pierre: $3.7 Mil
Chone Figgins: $390K

Table setters don't make $8.25 Million. He's paid to be more than that.