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vansmack
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:21 PM UTC #
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
you get or lose points for EVERYTHING that a player does, and you dont rank the teams, you just have standings where you total everyone's points … kind of like a fantasy football league where you get 6 points for a TD
Got it. And that's not head 2 head? Just total points?
vansmack
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:24 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
pitcher get 15 pts for a win and -5 pts for a loss. Relievers get 10 pts for a save and -5 for the blown save. Plus the added and minuses for strikeouts, walks and earned runs.
Holy shit. My head would be spinning for weeks trying to figure out advantages vs. disadvantages.
HoyaSaxa03
Joined: March 22, 2004 at 06:01 AM UTC
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:29 PM UTC #
I spend days trying to come up with the right formula come football time .. i.e., trying to undervalue TDs, boost the value of workhorse RBs who may not score much, posession receivers who may not score much … keyshawn for the bucs in 02 is a prime example, tons of yards, tons of catches, 1 td, in most leagues, he would have been crap, in my league, he was a good player

i'd have to do the same thing with baseball and it would take WEEKS, at minimum, to make sure it all worked out … although i bet someone's posted a really good formula somewhere …

rob, do you pitchers get minus points for hits or just walks? if i did it, i'd want to include everything like wild pitches, balks, errors, assists, putouts, sacrifice flies and hits, double plays grounded into, and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.
vansmack
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:31 PM UTC #
You guys have broken me down. I'm in.

I'll convince venerable to take the last spot when he gets here tonight.
ratioci nation
Joined: November 22, 2002 at 06:01 AM UTC
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:37 PM UTC #
I am pretty sure I will be in last in this league. Several years ago I spent a lot of time on this and had several teams, but I havent had a team in any sport for a few years now, looks like you guys take it seriously, should be fun.
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:41 PM UTC #
Originally posted by BookerT:
and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.
interesting, thanks for the link … i'll go on that website and stay on there for hours, so much shit going on there … the real question would be how to assign these statistics fantasy points and have the total fantasy points for a year by each pitcher correspond to the list here …
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:47 PM UTC #
vote update:

freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent

keep 'em coming ….
BookerT
Joined: October 30, 2001 at 06:01 AM UTC
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:50 PM UTC #
the real question would be how to assign these statistics fantasy points and have the total fantasy points for a year by each pitcher correspond to the list here …
yeah, i guess … i dunno, i love those guys over at BP, a year subscription for $40 is truly a great bargain, and i just might call in sick to work on tuesday when BP2005 hits the bookshelves, but i'm sort of a traditionalist when it comes to fantasy.

i think part of what makes it fun is that guys like crawford or pierre are more valuable than they really are, and there's strategy invovled in that. while i have no problem replacing avg with obp, all of these crazy point systems seem to be just a bit much. you don't want to make it so academic, y'know?

that said, i was expecting this to be a sort of casual league, where i could grab someone like, say, jake peavy relatively late. but it's looking like this one will be pretty competitive as well. which is excellent, because active leagues are so much better. and i've never done a mixed league before, so that should be fun, too.

and vansmack, sorry, no sortable table for those stats, at least not that i can find on there. might you be able to throw everything into an excel spreadsheet? i don't really know how that works, but it seems kind of unlikely that it would put everything it the right columns and everything.
Guiny
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 07:55 PM UTC #
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:

rob, do you pitchers get minus points for hits or just walks? if i did it, i'd want to include everything like wild pitches, balks, errors, assists, putouts, sacrifice flies and hits, double plays grounded into, and come up with a real composite of a player's worth. [/QB]
We try to keep it real basic even though it doesnt sound basic. So earned runs and walks are the only negative for pitchers other than the loss or blown save. So if a pitcher losses (-5) gives up 6 earned runs (-6), walks 3 (-3), that's already -14. But say its ol' Randy Johnson and he strikes out 15 batters, a bad loss just turned into a positive 1 point. But if you have someone like Shawn Estes, forget about it, he's gonna kill you. Closers are the big losers if they get a blown save loss. I've seen -21 pts out of a closer pitching less than an inning. So now that I'm playing Roto I'll have to look more into a pitcher who might win alot BUT gives up a lot of hits, I'm not used to playing in leagues with a WHIP catagory, so it'll be interesting for me.
vansmack
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:02 PM UTC #
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
vote update:

freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent

keep 'em coming ….
Average, but only because Barry Bonds is such a statistical anomaly in that category (150 points ahead of the next guy) that he'll throw it off for the 13 teams that don't have him.

There are 31 guys with AVG over .300, but only 11 guys .400 or better OBP and then thereâ??s Bonds at .609. .150 is a lot overcome in a game of statistics.
Guiny
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:10 PM UTC #
That's just one catagory though. I mean, yes he dominates, but what if the other ten hitters on your team are horrible? I guess that's what the draft is all about :D
vansmack
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:13 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
That's just one catagory though. I mean, yes he dominates, but what if the other ten hitters on your team are horrible? I guess that's what the draft is all about :D
One category in a ten category league. That's a significant amount. And given his HR prowess in an already HR glorified stat system…..I voted for average.

I may lose the vote and that's fine, I just thought I would share why.
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:19 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I know from […] just how dominant he was

beat me
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
kind of like a fantasy
Originally posted by vansmack:
And that's not head
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HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:22 PM UTC #
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
That's just one catagory though. I mean, yes he dominates, but what if the other ten hitters on your team are horrible? I guess that's what the draft is all about :D
One category in a ten category league. That's a significant amount. And given his HR prowess in an already HR glorified stat system…..I voted for average.

I may lose the vote and that's fine, I just thought I would share why.
understandable … i'd contend, however, that the great advantages of using OBP for every other player outweigh the anomaly that is barry bonds
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:26 PM UTC #
Originally posted by BookerT:
you don't want to make it so academic, y'know?
never thought i'd hear this out of a basebal prospectus fan =)

anyone go (or used to go) to clyde's in georgetown and drink at the back bar? there was (is?) a great bartender there who kept all sorts of baseball almanacs and stat books behind the counter, always up for a good baseball discussion…
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:31 PM UTC #
vote update:

freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
vansmack: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent

keep 'em coming ….

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this would be much easier if this was a real message board with a voting option
ratioci nation
Joined: November 22, 2002 at 06:01 AM UTC
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:33 PM UTC #
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
vote update:

freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
vansmack: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP
ratioci: indifferent

keep 'em coming ….

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this would be much easier if this was a real message board with a voting option
just to make things interesting, I am going to go with AVG, that is what I have always played in the past
Guiny
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Re: Fantasy Baseball February 25, 2005 at 08:38 PM UTC #
Too late, you already voted ;)
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