Fantasy Baseball

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
understandable … i'd contend, however, that the great advantages of using OBP for every other player outweigh the anomaly that is barry bonds

To the contrary. I think it's ruined the value of the Ichiro/Pierre/Crawford/Figgins of the world (multi-dimensional guys that do everything except hit HRs). At least their AVG's were considearbly above the league AVG, but with using OBP, they're a little less valuable. Those guys don't get walked often because nobody wants them on base.

But we all play by the same rules and as long as we come to consensus ahead of the draft we can draft accordingly….

But those four players you mentioned, except maybe Figgins, I can't remember off the top of my head, are gonna excel in stolen bases which is one of the ten catagories. And not many players are gonna be close to Crawford and Pierre.

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
But those four players you mentioned, except maybe Figgins, I can't remember off the top of my head, are gonna excel in stolen bases which is one of the ten catagories. And not many players are gonna be close to Crawford and Pierre.

I didn't say they were wrothless, but we have stripped them of 1/3 of their value.

Using OBP would make them one (maybe two as base stealers tend to score too) dimensional players in this league, as opposed to good three dimensional players using average.

HR hitters, on the other hand, are 4 dimensional players in this leage as they hit HRs, score runs, knock guys in, and even if their average sucks, they get walked a lot so their OBP value is increased.

Everyone's got good points, like I said, I'm new to the roto thing so I'm absorbing as much info as I can.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass or difficult here. I like this discussion and would rather have it before the league starts, that's all. I'll play no matter what the league decides.

If we're going to have a HR heavy league, that's great - we all know going in so it's all out on the table before the draft.

But HR, RBI, R, SLG, and now OBP too - that's 5 categories geared towards who knocks it out of the park.

Speedy guys get 2 - R and SB (and they share one). Their OBP's are good, but are less valuable to their performance than AVG.

But HR, RBI, R, SLG, and now OBP too - that's 5 categories geared towards who knocks it out of the park.

wait, we're not using SLG and OBP, are we? i'd definitely be opposed to that. i thought we were sticking with 5x5 … but maybe i'm wrong. i zoned out of this convo for a little bit a while back.

No, I believe its either AVG. or OBP, or at worst OPS, I think that SB's are still a catagory, which I think should be.

Originally posted by vansmack:
To the contrary. I think it's ruined the value of the Ichiro/Pierre/Crawford/Figgins of the world (multi-dimensional guys that do everything except hit HRs). At least their AVG's were considearbly above the league AVG, but with using OBP, they're a little less valuable. Those guys don't get walked often because nobody wants them on base.

interesting … blinded by billy beane, i had never really thought about it this way … you make a good point … but i'm still rooting for OBP

eh, no one wants bobby abreu on base, he was 5th in the majors with 40 steals last year, but he still walked 127 times.

and anyway, wasn't my little league coach right, isn't a walk as good as a hit? or was he just trying to convince me not to swing because he thought there was a far better chance of the pitcher throwing 4 out of 7 bad ones than me getting a hit? hmm…

Sorry, I was distracted (the head of Broadcom just bought the Mighty Ducks from Disney - ridiculous! during the lockout no less!).

Whatever the group decides is fine with me. I believe there's something to be said for the new school of stats and the old school of stats and finding a good mix should make for a fun league.

Originally posted by BookerT:
eh, no one wants bobby abreu on base, he was 5th in the majors with 40 steals last year, but he still walked 127 times.

You're absolutely right. In this league with this setup, Bobby would be my #2 choice of a player. In all other leauges he'd be around 10.

I'd prefer AVG over OBP. I'm just old school. I've never dealt with a league that uses holds as a big stat, but I guess I dont care. Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but why aren't K's counted?

As far as making this a league which features a winner's pot. I don't care. As long as the commissioner is strong and powerful and exercises his/her clear right to reject half-ass trades by non-playoff owners trying to bolster someone else's team.

Originally posted by PigIron:
I'd prefer AVG over OBP. I'm just old school. I've never dealt with a league that uses holds as a big stat, but I guess I dont care. Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but why aren't K's counted?

As far as making this a league which features a winner's pot. I don't care. As long as the commissioner is strong and powerful and exercises his/her clear right to reject half-ass trades by non-playoff owners trying to bolster someone else's team.

K's are counted … I run a bunch of leagues and i never allow a "trade review" or voting on trades or anything like that, if the trade is done for malicious reasons (its always obvious), it won't go through, easy enough …

Looks like we have 14 teams now. :D

for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo … has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?

vote update:

ratioci: AVG
pigiron: AVG
freddy: AVG
keithstg: AVG
vansmack: AVG
RobGee: OBP
bookerT: OBP
hoya: OBP
tenfifteen: OBP

we're missing 5 votes …. we also haven't really decided on holds, but seeing how long this voting process is taking, i'm not sure if we can do it democratically … i'm all for holds though …

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo … has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?

there normally are a limited amount available, at least thats how it was a couple of years ago, all the live draft slots may be taken

Originally posted by ratioci nation:

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
for some reason i can't select a date for a live draft on yahoo … has anyone already started a league and know what the problem is?

there normally are a limited amount available, at least thats how it was a couple of years ago, all the live draft slots may be taken

i don't think that's the problem … i signed up for the league the first day it was available on yahoo and all the dates were grayed out then, and they still are now … i remember in past years that it was tough to get a good spot if you signed up late, but even mid-day draft spots were available until the season started … it seems like a technical glitch to me …

I would e mail them and see what's up.

In my other Yahoo! league, we have already set the date for the live draft.

And I'm all for holds.