vansmack
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 04:24 PM UTC
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I forgot about this thread….I'm moving my comment here.
It's amazing what a 3-1 start can do for your hopes of signing a holdout rookie:
Crabtree signs with 49ersAnd to add further speculation to the Jets tampering charges, within hours of Crabtree's signing, the Jets trade for Braylan Edwards. Interesting. Very interesting.
godsshoeshine
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 04:33 PM UTC
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the browns really fail at the draft, dont they
ggw
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 04:38 PM UTC
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Redskins are 3.5 point underdogs to winless Carolina.
godsshoeshine
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 04:53 PM UTC
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i'm just going to say it: the talk around town has been way too negative. i'm not a skins fan by any stretch, and the negativity is funny to me, but at the end of the day they only lost one game they should have won. its week 5
Venerable Bede
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 05:51 PM UTC
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vansmack wrote:
I forgot about this thread….I'm moving my comment here.
It's amazing what a 3-1 start can do for your hopes of signing a holdout rookie:
Crabtree signs with 49ers
And to add further speculation to the Jets tampering charges, within hours of Crabtree's signing, the Jets trade for Braylan Edwards. Interesting. Very interesting.
i'm gonna go with the jets got caught and walked away. . .leaving only the niners.
sweetcell
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 05:52 PM UTC
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godsshoeshine wrote:
they only lost one game they should have won.
on the other hand, one could say that they won two games that they easily could have lost. 9-7 and 16-13 aren't exactly confidence-inspiring decisive victories. they have problems generating yards & points. folks might be going overboard with negativity but it's not like it's unfounded.
vansmack
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 05:59 PM UTC
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godsshoeshine wrote:
the browns really fail at the draft, dont they
Last 10 years of first round picks:
1999 Tim Couch QB
2000 Courtney Brown DE
2001 Gerard Warren DT
2002 William Green RB
2003 Jeff Faine C
2004 Kellen Winslow II TE
2005 Braylon Edwards WR
2006 Kamerion Wimbley LB
2007 Joe Thomas OT
2007 Brady Quinn QB
2008 No Pick
2009 Alex Mack C
Thomas, Wimbley and Faine have been productive, especially Thomas (Faine has been more productive elsewhere). But yes, the rest have not panned out.
ggw
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 06:19 PM UTC
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godsshoeshine wrote:
i'm just going to say it: the talk around town has been way too negative. i'm not a skins fan by any stretch, and the negativity is funny to me, but at the end of the day they only lost one game they should have won. its week 5
They are 2-1 against teams that have a combined record of 1-10 and won those two games by a combined 5 points. They have scored the fourth fewest points of any team in the league and have done so with the softest schedule in the league. And the owner makes Al Davis look like a reasonable man. They really are pretty awful.
renton007
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 06:20 PM UTC
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Simmons likes Washington; make what you will out of that prediction.
ggw wrote:
Redskins are 3.5 point underdogs to winless Carolina.
Mobius
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 06:42 PM UTC
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At Michigan, early in his career, Braylon was a great talent with a bad tendency to drop balls and not be 'on the same page' as the coaching staff. Lloyd Carr was able to get through to Braylon, get him on board, and he fulfilled the promise of the #1 jersey and became a Wolverine legend.
In Cleveland, after emerging as a star (and great guy in the community btw), he regressed back to the old Braylon. I think this was simply nature taking its course when a great talent, with a 'complicated' personality, gets trapped in a negative atmosphere of incompetant coaches, damaged QBs, bad organization, and a town that turns out to be a bad fit (he's a Michigan guy after all!)
Some would say NYC is a bad place for a 'head case' like Braylon. I think its going to be a tremendous fit. The Jets have transformed into a mature, winning organization under Rex Ryan and Sanchez appears to be a real NFL QB with superstar potential. I think he will thrive in this winning situation after sabotaging himself in the cesspool he just got out of.
The Skins are in the midst of the easist 5 game stretch I can recall ever seeing - StL, Detroit, Tampa, Carolina and KC have all been atrocious minor league teams this year. And the Skins have looked right at home amongst these sh*t teams so far. So as they say, it is what it is. . . .why would you expect anything else from a Snyder/Cerrato team?
serpent boy
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 07, 2009 at 10:15 PM UTC
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It's a good year to be a Bengals fan after all!
I was pretty down after they got Stokleyed in week 1, but now Cincy is heading into Baltimore for a chance to take control of the division.
godsshoeshine
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 08, 2009 at 12:26 AM UTC
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sweetcell wrote:
godsshoeshine wrote:
they only lost one game they should have won.
on the other hand, one could say that they won two games that they easily could have lost. 9-7 and 16-13 aren't exactly confidence-inspiring decisive victories. they have problems generating yards & points. folks might be going overboard with negativity but it's not like it's unfounded.
but they won them
look the skins werent going to be scoring alot this year anyway. they'll be mediocre but its the defense that is their strength. and its. week. 5
miss pretentious
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 08, 2009 at 12:57 PM UTC
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vansmack wrote:
godsshoeshine wrote:
the browns really fail at the draft, dont they
Last 10 years of first round picks:
2009 Alex Mack C
Thomas, Wimbley and Faine have been productive, especially Thomas (Faine has been more productive elsewhere). But yes, the rest have not panned out.
vansmack
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 08, 2009 at 04:05 PM UTC
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Miss P - FTW!!!
Incredible memory…
sweetcell
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 11, 2009 at 05:03 PM UTC
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sweetcell
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 11, 2009 at 07:05 PM UTC
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question for the football gurus:
detroit was down 14-6. they score a touchdown, 14-12. they kick the PAT, 14-13, but why didn't they try for a two-point conversion? succeed, and you've got a tied game. fail, and you're down by 2 - same difference as being down by 1, no? a field goal will still give you the lead…
explanation that i came up with: lions just don't trust their ability to score 2. at all.
thoughts?
elj
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 11, 2009 at 07:12 PM UTC
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It was early in the game. There is a common thought that you do not want to go for 2 earlier than you need to because if you miss it, you lose the "momentum" you gained from scoring.
elj
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 11, 2009 at 07:17 PM UTC
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Also if you miss the 2 point conversion, and are down two, and the Steelers score a TD, you're now down 9 (2 scores). If you kick the extra point and the Steelers go on to score a TD, you're only down 8 (considered 1 score).
vansmack
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 11, 2009 at 08:30 PM UTC
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Successful One Point Conversion rate: 99%
Successful Two Point Conversion rate: 42%
Take those numbers and decide how many possessions are left in the game. It's not worth risking the total number of points scored that early in the game, but when there are fewer possessions left, it's more worth taking the risk.
EDIT: HEre you go. I found this study describing what I laid out above:
http://www.isds.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/133.sackrowitz.pdf
ggw
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Re: 2009-2010 NFL discussion thread
October 12, 2009 at 02:25 AM UTC
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K.C. should have gone for two on that TD at the end of the fourth quarter. Clearly they have forgotten that YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! HELLO?!?