Side wrote:Stop stalking me on FB.Julian, wrote:opinion wrote:These folks have suffered enough. Jesus.
Following a personal invitation from Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, U2’s Bono and the Edge visited Kyiv Sunday to perform an acoustic concert in one of the city’s subway stations-turned-bomb shelters
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/
saw this and was like…I've seen this before
The "Do we need a Russia/Ukraine/WWIII thread" thread
The U.S.–Ukraine Foundation and World Unite for Ukraine invite you to a live stream benefit concert on July 14 featuring an exciting lineup of international artists including Pink Floyd, Al Di Meola, Eurovision winner Ruslana, and many others.
WHEN: July 14 at 8pm EDT/2am CET
WHERE: Live Stream on Mandolin (Replay available for 7 days after)
EVENT INFO: https://www.worlduniteforukraine.com/
"World Unite for Ukraine", a global grassroots movement uniting millions of people around the world in support of the people of Ukraine, will present a virtual 90+ minute fundraising concert on July 14, 2022.
The event will include performances by Pink Floyd, the Pat McGee Band, Al Di Meola, Eurovision 2004 winner Ruslana, and other international groups (a complete list of performers can be found here). The event will also showcase powerful stories from Ukraine that highlight the country's history and culture, as well as the devastating impact the war has had on Ukraine and its people.
With a $10 million goal, all proceeds will be deployed to vetted humanitarian initiatives through the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation.
The event will be live streamed to over 25 countries via Mandolin beginning at 8pm EDT/2am CET. On demand replay will also be available for 7 days after. Viewers can secure a ticket by selecting from several donation tiers on the Mandolin event page or receive an access code by giving to the active GoFundMe campaign.
WHEN: July 14 at 8pm EDT/2am CET
WHERE: Live Stream on Mandolin (Replay available for 7 days after)
EVENT INFO: https://www.worlduniteforukraine.com/
"World Unite for Ukraine", a global grassroots movement uniting millions of people around the world in support of the people of Ukraine, will present a virtual 90+ minute fundraising concert on July 14, 2022.
The event will include performances by Pink Floyd, the Pat McGee Band, Al Di Meola, Eurovision 2004 winner Ruslana, and other international groups (a complete list of performers can be found here). The event will also showcase powerful stories from Ukraine that highlight the country's history and culture, as well as the devastating impact the war has had on Ukraine and its people.
With a $10 million goal, all proceeds will be deployed to vetted humanitarian initiatives through the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation.
The event will be live streamed to over 25 countries via Mandolin beginning at 8pm EDT/2am CET. On demand replay will also be available for 7 days after. Viewers can secure a ticket by selecting from several donation tiers on the Mandolin event page or receive an access code by giving to the active GoFundMe campaign.
how does one of the most meh bands to come out of Richmond/DC scene The Pat McGee Band get second billing on this line up!?
Edit- looked at the list of artists and it's PF, ADM and Pat are the only names I even reconize
but still are they 'big in Ukraine' or something?
I don't even think they could fill Jammin Java
Edit- looked at the list of artists and it's PF, ADM and Pat are the only names I even reconize
but still are they 'big in Ukraine' or something?
I don't even think they could fill Jammin Java
welp, the Russians have left snake island
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-flag-raised-again-snake-island-military-says-2022-07-04/
not a major victory and they are not even willing to send someone there to raise the flag (weird how they keep saying they raised the flag and showing old pics)
but I'll take it as a ding in putins soul
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-flag-raised-again-snake-island-military-says-2022-07-04/
not a major victory and they are not even willing to send someone there to raise the flag (weird how they keep saying they raised the flag and showing old pics)
but I'll take it as a ding in putins soul
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not a major victory and they are not even willing to send someone there to raise the flag (weird how they keep saying they raised the flag and showing old pics)
ukrainians don't want the same thing to happen to them that happened to the russians: there is no cover on that island. you're sitting out in the open with big crosshairs on you. the second the first ukie soldier shows up, the orcs will send in the missiles.
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but I'll take it as a ding in putins soul
i wish this was the case, but i suspect it's little more than a minor annoyance. the ruskies are probably most pissed about the equipment losses they suffered there.
Ok lots of disinfo out there…but this is some scary shit
Stratcom Centre UA@StratcomCentre
Russian troops have wired energy units of Zaporizhia nuclear power plant with explosives. Major General Vasilyev, commander of the garrison stationed at the plant, announced readiness to blow up the plant, leading to a nuclear catastrophe.
"This will either be Russian land, or scorched earth," he said. He also told his soldiers that no matter how difficult orders they could receive, they had to execute them "with honour," calling them "liberators."
Stratcom Centre UA@StratcomCentre
Russian troops have wired energy units of Zaporizhia nuclear power plant with explosives. Major General Vasilyev, commander of the garrison stationed at the plant, announced readiness to blow up the plant, leading to a nuclear catastrophe.
"This will either be Russian land, or scorched earth," he said. He also told his soldiers that no matter how difficult orders they could receive, they had to execute them "with honour," calling them "liberators."
more war crimes, nothing new.
and yeah, when told to advance russian soldiers have to do so no matter what - otherwise they have a line of chechens behind them who will shoot anyone who retreats. powerful war machine indeed. mind you, those on the front lines are largely forced conscripts from the donbas and other conquered regions.
HIMARS has gone a long way in leveling the playing field. ruskies are desperate for manpower. north korea has offered to send 100,000 "volunteer" soldiers to help russia. more cannon fodder for the muscovites, just in time to replace all the forced conscripts from the donbas which they are running out of to absorb bullets and shells on the front lines.
and yeah, when told to advance russian soldiers have to do so no matter what - otherwise they have a line of chechens behind them who will shoot anyone who retreats. powerful war machine indeed. mind you, those on the front lines are largely forced conscripts from the donbas and other conquered regions.
HIMARS has gone a long way in leveling the playing field. ruskies are desperate for manpower. north korea has offered to send 100,000 "volunteer" soldiers to help russia. more cannon fodder for the muscovites, just in time to replace all the forced conscripts from the donbas which they are running out of to absorb bullets and shells on the front lines.
an air base in Crimea was attacked on tuesday, and i don't feel it's getting the coverage/attention it deserves. credible estimates of damages range between 8 and 24 aircraft destroyed, and 2 to 4 ammo depots turned into fireworks. i've also seen estimates that 50-60 soldiers were KIA, mostly pilots (huge loss) and over 100 injured. it's the most planes that russia has lost in a single day since WWII. as they usually do, the russians deny it was an attack and instead claim it was an accident caused by negligence, possibly by a carelessly disposed cigarette… m'yeah.
the ukrainians are being coyly deflective when asked if they did it. no official word on how they carried out the attack, but a few theories:
#1- they used ATACMS, the 300 km missile that can be launched from HIMARS/M270/etc. officially the US has not given these missiles to the ukes, but that doesn't mean that haven't done so secretly. US DOD recently admitted that they gave ukrainians AGM-88 anti-radar missiles without disclosing it to the public.
#2- the ukes used a home-grown missile system, as a ukrainian official implied. they had several medium-range ballistic missile systems in development, in test, or had recently been exported. the neptune anti-ship cruise missiles could have been reprogrammed for such a mission.
BIG PROBLEM with theories #1 and #2: satellite images of the destruction are not consistent with a missile attack. witnesses describe 10 to 12 separate large explosions, but you can only see 5-6 craters and several of them can be explained by the missing ammo dump that used to be there. there are no stray craters, implying an unrealistic perfect 100% hit rate. which leads to the most likely explanation, IMO:
#3- specials ops, possibly with the help of sympathizers/partisans. the attack seemed to have been very localized: the only big explosions where at ammo dumps and a few planes, likely loaded with fuel and/or munitions. seems compatible with specops getting in there and planting multiple timed explosives. this guy provides a good breakdown of the satellite imagery and one version of the "black ops did it" narrative (skip to 4:07 if you don't want background info on the attack).
so how BIG was this attack? it's on par with the sinking of the moskva, the flagship of the black sea fleet, back in april. why?
- strategic: ruskies have started pulling back assets from crimea, relocating them deeper into russia. this move to safety will reduce how often those planes can attack ukraine, will limit their responsiveness, etc.
- psychological: russians assumed that they were safe in crimea and could use it as they pleased to launch attacks. nope. must be humiliating for glorious red army.
- potential anti-propaganda value, maybe… following the attacks, russian tourists high-tailed it outta crimea, a popular beach destination. the traffic jam to get across the kerch strait bridge was backed up for dozens of miles, 24 hours after the attack it was still crawling. all these tourists will return to moscow with news that doesn't match the kremlin's official stories.
- general embarrassment: big powerful war machine couldn't prevent an attack 200 km away from the front lines? if it was indeed SpecOps, did they just walk in, mine the place and walk out? how did they manage to plant so many bombs in a secure military facility? (the explosions occurred during daylight hours, fyi.)
TL;DR: ukrainians kicked the muscovites' asses deep behind their own lines, blew up an air base, and now the ruskies need to rethink their assumption of safety and usefulness of crimea. it's a huge deal.
the ukrainians are being coyly deflective when asked if they did it. no official word on how they carried out the attack, but a few theories:
#1- they used ATACMS, the 300 km missile that can be launched from HIMARS/M270/etc. officially the US has not given these missiles to the ukes, but that doesn't mean that haven't done so secretly. US DOD recently admitted that they gave ukrainians AGM-88 anti-radar missiles without disclosing it to the public.
#2- the ukes used a home-grown missile system, as a ukrainian official implied. they had several medium-range ballistic missile systems in development, in test, or had recently been exported. the neptune anti-ship cruise missiles could have been reprogrammed for such a mission.
BIG PROBLEM with theories #1 and #2: satellite images of the destruction are not consistent with a missile attack. witnesses describe 10 to 12 separate large explosions, but you can only see 5-6 craters and several of them can be explained by the missing ammo dump that used to be there. there are no stray craters, implying an unrealistic perfect 100% hit rate. which leads to the most likely explanation, IMO:
#3- specials ops, possibly with the help of sympathizers/partisans. the attack seemed to have been very localized: the only big explosions where at ammo dumps and a few planes, likely loaded with fuel and/or munitions. seems compatible with specops getting in there and planting multiple timed explosives. this guy provides a good breakdown of the satellite imagery and one version of the "black ops did it" narrative (skip to 4:07 if you don't want background info on the attack).
so how BIG was this attack? it's on par with the sinking of the moskva, the flagship of the black sea fleet, back in april. why?
- strategic: ruskies have started pulling back assets from crimea, relocating them deeper into russia. this move to safety will reduce how often those planes can attack ukraine, will limit their responsiveness, etc.
- psychological: russians assumed that they were safe in crimea and could use it as they pleased to launch attacks. nope. must be humiliating for glorious red army.
- potential anti-propaganda value, maybe… following the attacks, russian tourists high-tailed it outta crimea, a popular beach destination. the traffic jam to get across the kerch strait bridge was backed up for dozens of miles, 24 hours after the attack it was still crawling. all these tourists will return to moscow with news that doesn't match the kremlin's official stories.
- general embarrassment: big powerful war machine couldn't prevent an attack 200 km away from the front lines? if it was indeed SpecOps, did they just walk in, mine the place and walk out? how did they manage to plant so many bombs in a secure military facility? (the explosions occurred during daylight hours, fyi.)
TL;DR: ukrainians kicked the muscovites' asses deep behind their own lines, blew up an air base, and now the ruskies need to rethink their assumption of safety and usefulness of crimea. it's a huge deal.
serious question: y'all aware of recent developments in ukraine, especially on the eastern front/Kharkiv?
i'm obviously obsessed with the war and follow it daily, so i've lost track of what's in the mainstream's awareness. as one might expect, the war isn't getting as much coverage after 200 days as it was in the first weeks - but how far back has it faded?
i'm obviously obsessed with the war and follow it daily, so i've lost track of what's in the mainstream's awareness. as one might expect, the war isn't getting as much coverage after 200 days as it was in the first weeks - but how far back has it faded?
what URK is accomplishing at the moment is unprecedented: an entire oblast (province) cleared in 5 days and now working on Luhansk oblast. russians are running for their lives, abandoning 100+ pieces of heavy armor (so far) and all sorts of other goodies like advanced radar and electronic warfare systems. many ammo depots as well (russia has officially become ukraine's #1 weapons provider). by the time this is over they will likely need to deal with over 10,000 POWs. twitter has claims that settlements lost in 2014 are being liberated.
brilliant how the ukes got russia all worked up over their announced southern offensive (kherson), ruskies committed a ton of troops to its defense (est. 25k total), and they promptly got trapped on the west bank of the dnipro thanks to HIMARS taking out all the bridges. this left the eastern front badly under-guarded so the blitzkrieg was on. in the south, meanwhile, UKR can methodically grind it out knowing that the muscovites around kherson cannot be resupplied. rumors of RF in negotiations to surrender, or for safe passage of soldiers only (all weapons and armor left behind), but nothing confirmed yet.
my fav tidbit about the lightening campaign in Kharkiv is how it was led by mostly SOF in fast vehicles. when coming up to a town or known russian post they did one of two things:
- if the russians put up resistance, the tip of the spear simply went around the russians and continued down the road. this confused the russians - why didn't they fight? as they watched the lightening team disappear down the road, they'd turn around to find themselves encircled by the second wave of heavy armor and artillery. badly outgunned, the muscovites could only surrender, flee, or die.
- if the russians didn't put up any resistance, the ukes would disarm whoever they could capture (many fled after putting on civilian clothes), zip-tie them and leave them by the side of the road for the second wave to deal with.
the ukrainians impose a media blackout during operations, so this isn't confirmed, but there may be a third front developing in the middle of the land bridge between donbas and crimea. it may be headed to mariupol, severing the land bridge in half.
hopefully UKR has the resources and logistics to hold on to the gains. they've got it right so far, let's hope they keep it. hard not to be overly optimistic and say shit like the "end is in sight"… must… not… saaaaaaaay it…
brilliant how the ukes got russia all worked up over their announced southern offensive (kherson), ruskies committed a ton of troops to its defense (est. 25k total), and they promptly got trapped on the west bank of the dnipro thanks to HIMARS taking out all the bridges. this left the eastern front badly under-guarded so the blitzkrieg was on. in the south, meanwhile, UKR can methodically grind it out knowing that the muscovites around kherson cannot be resupplied. rumors of RF in negotiations to surrender, or for safe passage of soldiers only (all weapons and armor left behind), but nothing confirmed yet.
my fav tidbit about the lightening campaign in Kharkiv is how it was led by mostly SOF in fast vehicles. when coming up to a town or known russian post they did one of two things:
- if the russians put up resistance, the tip of the spear simply went around the russians and continued down the road. this confused the russians - why didn't they fight? as they watched the lightening team disappear down the road, they'd turn around to find themselves encircled by the second wave of heavy armor and artillery. badly outgunned, the muscovites could only surrender, flee, or die.
- if the russians didn't put up any resistance, the ukes would disarm whoever they could capture (many fled after putting on civilian clothes), zip-tie them and leave them by the side of the road for the second wave to deal with.
the ukrainians impose a media blackout during operations, so this isn't confirmed, but there may be a third front developing in the middle of the land bridge between donbas and crimea. it may be headed to mariupol, severing the land bridge in half.
hopefully UKR has the resources and logistics to hold on to the gains. they've got it right so far, let's hope they keep it. hard not to be overly optimistic and say shit like the "end is in sight"… must… not… saaaaaaaay it…
psyops continue unabated:
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Friend of mine is staying at a Glover park hotel directly across from the Russian Embassy on Wisconsin
and they have a giant Ukraine flag that is about 10 stories high
and they have a giant Ukraine flag that is about 10 stories high
^ love it!
dissent is now in the open in moscow: russian propaganda TV openly questioning the war. ~50 local officials sign a letter asking putler the resign. just read a story of a general who told putler to fuck off on a video call after the dictator questioned the general's competency (i.e. blamed him for the recent failures). none of this would have occurred prior to the recent counteroffensive so it's clearly diminishing putler's power.
and the biggie: was there an assassination attempt on putler's motorcade? it failed, but still: his movements are top secret so it had to be an inside job. putler can't be sleeping well these days.
and the biggie: was there an assassination attempt on putler's motorcade? it failed, but still: his movements are top secret so it had to be an inside job. putler can't be sleeping well these days.
Putler? is that a new nick-name?
Hitler comparisons are terrible….and a very bad idea cause when you start comparing every dictator to Hitler it really minimizes what Hitler did…. I mean I remember when in the US everyone seemed to be comparing Saddam to Hitler…of course that ruler in Iran with the crazy name that starts with an A got compared to Hitler….
I really think Hitler stands alone…there is no comparison… if you go to the Holocaust Museum…it’s just a whole different level of “civilized” barbarism
Pol Pot might be the closest thing to Hitler but I don’t know deets on that…. What stands out about Hitler is the systematic and methodical manner he oversaw the killing of millions of Jews… Say Stalin’s killing of millions by starvation isn’t quite the same as concentration camps and crematoriums…
Curiously enough the US - where we seem to have a fixation with calling every dictator Hitler- stood largely silent while Hitler carried out the Final Solution. It’s an uncomfortable truth and most Americans no doubt think we stepped into World War II to save the Jews but that is just not corroborated by the evidence. Hell, when a ship full of Jews fled Europe and was off the US coast it was denied entry and the ship was sent back to Europe. A real low point in American history.
I really think Hitler stands alone…there is no comparison… if you go to the Holocaust Museum…it’s just a whole different level of “civilized” barbarism
Pol Pot might be the closest thing to Hitler but I don’t know deets on that…. What stands out about Hitler is the systematic and methodical manner he oversaw the killing of millions of Jews… Say Stalin’s killing of millions by starvation isn’t quite the same as concentration camps and crematoriums…
Curiously enough the US - where we seem to have a fixation with calling every dictator Hitler- stood largely silent while Hitler carried out the Final Solution. It’s an uncomfortable truth and most Americans no doubt think we stepped into World War II to save the Jews but that is just not corroborated by the evidence. Hell, when a ship full of Jews fled Europe and was off the US coast it was denied entry and the ship was sent back to Europe. A real low point in American history.
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Curiously enough the US - …- stood largely silent while Hitler carried out the Final Solution. It’s an uncomfortable truth and most Americans no doubt think we stepped into World War II to save the Jews but that is just not corroborated by the evidence. Hell, when a ship full of Jews fled Europe and was off the US coast it was denied entry and the ship was sent back to Europe. A real low point in American history.
So I'm not history expert, but I don't think that most outside of Germany actually knew what was going on in the concentration camps early on and even when we joined on the offensive in 1941
Maybe I'm just being naive here but the extent of the killings and tortures wasn't known until we entered the camps years later and the germans and their attention to details…wrote everything down, so it was even more shocking
But I do agree, there are few to compare to Hitler and will go down as one of the most henious in modern history
Although Pol Pot and Stalin are really not that far behind
and mao, that his Culture thing was responsible for millions too
but don't forget the Leopold II, King of Belgium, that was one nasty dude responsible for about 10 million congo residents…all in the name of rubber
an the US with it's genocide of the native americans…
But you are right, there is only one Hitler, but there are many atrocities done by men in modern times
The US knew exactly what was going on. We didn’t care…very few cared… Jews couldn’t flee Hitler because they had nowhere to go. It’s all documented. Even came out recently how Argentina had a secret policy not to take in Jews. We knew where the concentration camp where..we knew the railways that took Jews there..
Again, I do not see comparisons between Hitler and others. He did it in broad daylight over many years. He industrialized a state killing machine. There was a whole “legal” underpinning. Nobody cared. And if Jews fled Germany to say Holland Hitler still got them killed such as Anne Frank.
Again, I do not see comparisons between Hitler and others. He did it in broad daylight over many years. He industrialized a state killing machine. There was a whole “legal” underpinning. Nobody cared. And if Jews fled Germany to say Holland Hitler still got them killed such as Anne Frank.