The "Do we need a Russia/Ukraine/WWIII thread" thread

DarkSideHatch wrote:

Yada wrote:
Do we need a Russia/Ukraine/WWIII thread?

where was that a headline?
but yes, we do

it brings me absolutely no joy to start this thread.


i guess this post has a home now:

sweetcell wrote:
since we don't have a "dystopian nightmare headlines" thread, i guess i'll drop this here:

Putin calls for the "demilitarization" of Ukraine after announcing military action in Donbas


sooooo… how's that "demilitarization of Ukraine" going?

Sad day

devastating

russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting. 

what could go wrong?

sweetcell wrote:
russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting. 

what could go wrong?

Wait I had no idea Chernobyl was Ukrainian

DarkSideHatch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting. 

what could go wrong?

Wait I had no idea Chernobyl was Ukrainian

yes, chernobyl is in ukraine.  the disaster occurred in 1986, back when ukraine was an unwilling member of the USSR.  moscow made all the decisions, including denying the disaster happened for 3 days while a deadly radiation cloud hung over europe.  they didn't care that people were dying, they needed to maintain a narrative.

denying disasters in favor of a narrative seems to be a specialty.

Russia Ukraine war: Putin's troops seize Chernobyl and take staff hostage

"The condition of the facilities of the former Chernobyl nuclear power plant is unknown. This is one of the most serious problems in Europe today. It is impossible to say that the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is safe."

sweetcell wrote:

DarkSideHatch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
russians now have control of Chernobyl nuclear plant, after some heavy fighting. 

what could go wrong?

Wait I had no idea Chernobyl was Ukrainian

yes, chernobyl is in ukraine.  the disaster occurred in 1986, back when ukraine was an unwilling member of the USSR.  moscow made all the decisions, including denying the disaster happened for 3 days while a deadly radiation cloud hung over europe.  they didn't care that people were dying, they needed to maintain a narrative.

denying disasters in favor of a narrative seems to be a specialty.

Yeah, I have HBO and like the dude who played Lane Price on Mad Men as well, pal.

I admittedly didn't think anything happened at chernobyl in 30 Years… why is it being seized?

Yada wrote:
I admittedly didn't think anything happened at chernobyl in 30 Years… why is it being seized?

the whole of ukraine is being seized.  chernobyl is in ukraine.  ergo…

the russians are taking control of all infrastructure: airports, power stations, water treatment, communications… chernobyl is noteworthy because of the risk, and historical memories, it represents.  just raises a lot of alarms.  the russians have taken the workers there hostage since the invaders don't know how to run the joint anymore.

“de-Nazification”.

Really?

No. No, we don't need this thread.

The, end.

All my life it’s been Kiev

Now it’s Kyiv?


What a crummy situation

Of course we - the US and allies- would like to help but if we put boots on the ground in Ukraine 🇺🇦 Putin will start lobbing nukes

The whole thing could have been different if we had let Ukraine keep the Soviet nukes they inherited but we -along with Russia- made them get rid of them… If Ukraine had a bunch of nukes pointing at St Petersburg and Moscow I doubt Putin could have invaded

Per the BBC and NPR

Kiev is the Russian Spelling\Pronunciation

Kyiv is the Ukrainian Spelling\Pronunciation

https://twitter.com/RichPreston/status/1497145935771619329?s=20&t=Cu5TIn5HO6k3mZdM3k14lw

obviously Ukrainian's prefer  Kyiv

Is it really that simple?

Ukraine has been independent for over thirty years…. Including high profile events like the Orange Revolution… I don’t recall the Kyiv nomenclature but it’s possible I missed it

Don’t most Ukrainians speak Russian?

I doubt Ukrainians in the eastern part of the country prefer Kyiv…

But go Kyiv!

I was also unaware of the new spelling of Kiev.

this isn't really that new, this discussion came up during the QPQ with Trump and a lot of people were saying that should be Kyiv

It was only recently in 2019 that both NPR and BBC made the official decision to switch to the Ukrainian spelling and pronunciation.

good overview of the issue

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075357281/how-do-you-pronounce-kyiv

The other spelling has been out there for years, it just didn't have the Gallagher Brothers publicist working on it's behalf…

Works for me!