Smackie just reco'd the iphone. What's next? Manimtired knocking on doors for Obama?
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i guess that settles that
I have always maintaned that I'm not a hater, depsite what you all think.
Logic always dictates with me, and that's my biggest problem with Apple and the iPhone - how people simply throw logic out the window because of a flashy commercial or an aesthetically pleasing device. They make good products that people and, now with at&t, companies overpay for simply to become beholden to the beast. That defies all logic to me.
People forget that I learned my trait on an Apple IIe and still own the first 512k Mac. But when I needed a printer and Apple wanted $300 for one but a PC owner could get a printer for $100 I saw something wrong with that. Those type of closed business practices of Apple turned me off then and continue to turn me off today. No good product from Apple comes unteathered to some closed business model that leaves you beholden to them. It almost cost their existence in the late 90's (thank you MS for saving them) and now they are enjoying a massive resurgence. How quickly people forget.
That being said, given godsshoeshine's situation, clear logic says he should get an iPhone 3Gs due to his particular situation (and lack of other options with at&t - which I warned about from the beginning). It would be foolish for me to argue otherwise. I'll even go as far as to say that he's going to love the iPhone…
Logic always dictates with me, and that's my biggest problem with Apple and the iPhone - how people simply throw logic out the window because of a flashy commercial or an aesthetically pleasing device. They make good products that people and, now with at&t, companies overpay for simply to become beholden to the beast. That defies all logic to me.
People forget that I learned my trait on an Apple IIe and still own the first 512k Mac. But when I needed a printer and Apple wanted $300 for one but a PC owner could get a printer for $100 I saw something wrong with that. Those type of closed business practices of Apple turned me off then and continue to turn me off today. No good product from Apple comes unteathered to some closed business model that leaves you beholden to them. It almost cost their existence in the late 90's (thank you MS for saving them) and now they are enjoying a massive resurgence. How quickly people forget.
That being said, given godsshoeshine's situation, clear logic says he should get an iPhone 3Gs due to his particular situation (and lack of other options with at&t - which I warned about from the beginning). It would be foolish for me to argue otherwise. I'll even go as far as to say that he's going to love the iPhone…
i cant speak for peripherals before 2001, but i've bought hard drives and printers that arent mac specific from the get go
i wasnt trying to bait you (honestly) but i was just wondering if there was anything better out there. verizon has lost me as a customer for life and sprint users dont get coverage in my office. at&t is really the only option left for me
i wasnt trying to bait you (honestly) but i was just wondering if there was anything better out there. verizon has lost me as a customer for life and sprint users dont get coverage in my office. at&t is really the only option left for me
how's the iphone for browsing the internet?
and vansmack, are you still with Sprint?
and vansmack, are you still with Sprint?
Yes, Apple has eased restrictions with their peripherals after nearly going under in the late 90's (and switching to the Intel chip and adopting a wider array of standards [like USB in addition to firewire] helped that cause too). Oddly, the price of their machines have not dropped as steadily as their competitors given that they now share the same or similar components, which I find odd.
And I didn't take it as bait - I knew you were being genuine, but you were right to trust your instinct: get the new iPhone.
And I didn't take it as bait - I knew you were being genuine, but you were right to trust your instinct: get the new iPhone.
Hello wrote:and vansmack, are you still with Sprint?
I am. Still using the HTC Touch Diamond as my personal phone though I have been testing an array of phones for them over the past 3 months and am happy to answer any questions (that I'm allowed to talk about)…
Right on cue….
iTunes 8.2.1 brings Pre Music Syncing to a Halt
It's like they know I'm talking shit about them. Somebody, anybody, please tell me how this is good for the consumer?
iTunes 8.2.1 brings Pre Music Syncing to a Halt
It's like they know I'm talking shit about them. Somebody, anybody, please tell me how this is good for the consumer?
vansmack wrote:
It's like they know I'm talking shit about them.
don't flatter yourself tooooooo much. this one was entirely predictable, no great industry insight required.
vansmack wrote:
Somebody, anybody, please tell me how this is good for the consumer?
since when is consumer good a company's only motivation?
I didn't say "only" - you did - but I would still like to know how this is good for the consumer AT ALL? I'm not naive to think that some part of every business decision has to have some benefit to the consumer…
Palm's device sync didn't make your iPod or iPhone work any less reliably when syncing to iTunes. It didn't raise the cost of iTunes songs or Apple devices, nor did it deplete inventory as there are no limits to digital download stock. It didn't cost at&t or Apple a single sale as the Pre is not available on at&t and the iPhone is not available on Sprint.
If anything, Apple may have sold more songs from ITM to Pre users who sync with iTunes now that DRM free songs are available.
And don't be so quick to point out that the industry expected this. There were many people who warned Apple not to block this. Apple now opens itself up to an anti-trust suit because there's finally a clear example of Apple trying to take advantage of its market share and block other competitors. The threat has always been there, but no company with any clout or resources attempted what Palm did. And when its Palm and Google combined, there's a lot of people in the industry who aren't going to come to the defense of Apple like they would had it been MS that took the lead on this. Sadly, anti-trust suits take longer than market force chages these days….
Palm's device sync didn't make your iPod or iPhone work any less reliably when syncing to iTunes. It didn't raise the cost of iTunes songs or Apple devices, nor did it deplete inventory as there are no limits to digital download stock. It didn't cost at&t or Apple a single sale as the Pre is not available on at&t and the iPhone is not available on Sprint.
If anything, Apple may have sold more songs from ITM to Pre users who sync with iTunes now that DRM free songs are available.
And don't be so quick to point out that the industry expected this. There were many people who warned Apple not to block this. Apple now opens itself up to an anti-trust suit because there's finally a clear example of Apple trying to take advantage of its market share and block other competitors. The threat has always been there, but no company with any clout or resources attempted what Palm did. And when its Palm and Google combined, there's a lot of people in the industry who aren't going to come to the defense of Apple like they would had it been MS that took the lead on this. Sadly, anti-trust suits take longer than market force chages these days….
allowing the pre to sync to itunes made the pre that much more attractive, and took away a feature that apple considers exclusive to the iphone: itunes. now, with itunes 8.2.1, if a consumer is deciding between buying a pre or an iphone (first-time buyers, people whose contracts have just expired, those looking to switch, etc), the iphone has one more feature that the pre doesn't. i guess apple valued this exclusivity over the potential itunes song sales to pre customers.
it probably isn't, but i suspect the apple execs who decided this were thinking of themselves here. came down to something like "additional exclusivity of iphone > ill-will created by said exclusivity for non-iphone users + lost itunes sales". whether this equation hold true, tho… tbd.
what's interesting to me in this pseudo-monopolistic behavior is the collateral damage. ex: record labels. they probably want the pre to sync, since that will increase song sales. apple's single-minded decision to exclude the pre has cost the record labels (and artists, producers, etc) money… not much they can do about it.
vansmack wrote:
I would still like to know how this is good for the consumer AT ALL? I'm not naive to think that some part of every business decision has to have some benefit to the consumer…
it probably isn't, but i suspect the apple execs who decided this were thinking of themselves here. came down to something like "additional exclusivity of iphone > ill-will created by said exclusivity for non-iphone users + lost itunes sales". whether this equation hold true, tho… tbd.
what's interesting to me in this pseudo-monopolistic behavior is the collateral damage. ex: record labels. they probably want the pre to sync, since that will increase song sales. apple's single-minded decision to exclude the pre has cost the record labels (and artists, producers, etc) money… not much they can do about it.
sweetcell wrote:
what's interesting to me in this pseudo-monopolistic behavior is the collateral damage. ex: record labels. they probably want the pre to sync, since that will increase song sales. apple's single-minded decision to exclude the pre has cost the record labels (and artists, producers, etc) money… not much they can do about it.
But by the time you got around to answering the question, you weren't able to distinguish anything from the point I was trying to make. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the consumer.
And record labels want anybody but Apple right now. They are tired of being bullied around by Jobs and Co. I have no pity for them. They made their bed now they must sleep in it. It's exactly this scenario I'm trying to avoid for the consumer by pointing these things out as people continue to tout the innovation coming out of Cupertino. It's business models people, and one's that are bad for consumers.
The labels were actually happy that the Pre has an Amazon MP3 download app and not an iTMS app.
That said there are a lot of people, including bands, that want no part of record labels. As long as my iPhone or iPod plays mp3's or aac's, I'm happy.
vansmack wrote:
Logic always dictates with me, and that's my biggest problem with Apple and the iPhone - how people simply throw logic out the window because of a flashy commercial or an aesthetically pleasing device. They make good products that people and, now with at&t, companies overpay for simply to become beholden to the beast. That defies all logic to me.
This is what I've always called a MacHandicap.
Regarding Sprint: I've totally given up on them. They never, ever worked inside any kind of building for me. Didn't work in my apartment. Moved to a different neighborhood and I still couldn't get any kind of reception. Never worked at work in any of the different buildings that I tried it in. Went to visit my parents and it didn't work inside their home. Then I visited them in their condo in Ocean City and it still didn't work. Fuck 'em! I'm with T-Mobile now. Live in a totally different apartment surrounded by lots of trees and not the best of reception for various companies. From my experience, Verizon sucks here too. No, I can't fucking hear you!!! >:( T-Mobile works fine for me so they got my business. Also, they seem to work fine inside every building that I've tried them in. Have never had any problems with them at all. Keep in mind, I'm only using them for a mediocre Sony Ericson phone (which I'm very happy with) and I've opted for no internet access, so it's all good for me. Not saying that that should have any bearings on your purchasing decisions but I wanted to throw those out there for whatever they are worth.
I'd love to have the top of the line Sony Ericson phone they sell in Europe. From what I've heard, they are very nice. What originally attracted me to them was their keypad. I can't stand those tiny little ET miniscule keys on most phones and I'm not into touch screens… and like Smackie, I can't stand Apple. Their phones are pretty nice but if I can find something that suits my needs, the 'other' will win out every time.
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Jag, you bring up two good points.
The first is that the Xperia X1 (Sony Ericsson's top phone) makes me jizz in my pants a little. It's a beautiful phone that American carriers have avoided like the plague. It's all over Europe and Asia and causes me a tremendous amount of cell phone envy.
And second - the most important thing in a cell phone carrier is service at home and service at work - the two places your phone is used most often. I don't care how good their reputation is or how good their phones are, if you can't use it at those two places, then find a different carrier.
And lastly, I would also recommend you find a carrier who has terrible service at your mistress' abode.
The first is that the Xperia X1 (Sony Ericsson's top phone) makes me jizz in my pants a little. It's a beautiful phone that American carriers have avoided like the plague. It's all over Europe and Asia and causes me a tremendous amount of cell phone envy.
And second - the most important thing in a cell phone carrier is service at home and service at work - the two places your phone is used most often. I don't care how good their reputation is or how good their phones are, if you can't use it at those two places, then find a different carrier.
And lastly, I would also recommend you find a carrier who has terrible service at your mistress' abode.
i have a sony ericsson now. i like it
i had tmobile back in pittsburgh, but i lived in the middle of the city. when i moved here i didnt get reception in manassas. everyone told me that verizon was so much better, but when i got home from switching…still no signal at home
and then they wouldnt give me a phone that worked when that was my only phone and my only doorbell…
i had tmobile back in pittsburgh, but i lived in the middle of the city. when i moved here i didnt get reception in manassas. everyone told me that verizon was so much better, but when i got home from switching…still no signal at home
and then they wouldnt give me a phone that worked when that was my only phone and my only doorbell…
vansmack wrote:
Right on cue….
iTunes 8.2.1 brings Pre Music Syncing to a Halt
I LOVE this.
Palm WebOS 1.1 Now Available, Fixes iTunes 8.2.1 Syncing
They're basically telling Apple - either license it to us, or sue us and risk an anti-trust suit. It makes me want to get one just to support them. Smackette loves hers, but I can't have his and hers phones…
Google Voice iPhone app rejected, current GV apps lose connection with iTunes
No word on whether this was done by at&t or Apple, but it doesn't really matter….
No word on whether this was done by at&t or Apple, but it doesn't really matter….
that is a bummer. i'm sold on google voice for no other reason than i like talking on my home phone for long conversations, and i only have those with people that are long distance calls. its easier for me to use an app than bust out the laptop, to be honest