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vansmack wrote:
And that's the best case scenario. I'm sure the Tiger Woods phenomenon is about to start with some suspicious spouse locating that file on a hard drive on their own and putting together a juicy story to take to a divorce lawyer.  No subpoena needed now…

speaking of no subpoena needed: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/04/19/2231240/Michigan-Police-Could-Search-Cell-Phones-During-Traffic-Stops

^ That's what I was posting above and it was conveniently ignored.

Jag, I ignored that post because if you're dumb enough to willingly hand your phone over to a cop, then you deserve to have all of your data taken and used against you.   

This applies to you giving your phone to more than just a cop too - there is so much data on a phone that it boggles my mind how open folks are with their phone.  You wouldn't hand your wallet over, why would you hand your phone over?

It's a little different if it's not clearly a willing act or if it's part of an arrest.  The 4th/5th/6th amendment right(s) to reasonable searches and seizures has been so decimated in the past 20 years anyway, that this is just the next test for the courts.

^ Geesh,… the point is not whether or not one is dumb enough to hand their phone over. It's that the cops are doing this regardless of it's legality.

The fact that our rights are being destroyed does not in the least make it anymore acceptable. In fact, it's even more cause to nip it in the bud! It's all this closing one's mind to what is happening that allows our rights to continue to decline. Of course, unless you prefer to be a dumbed down zombified sheep. In that case, anyone who prefers to join the ever tightening pasture 'deserves' to be taken advantage of like this by your phone logic.

;D

if a cop ever asks me to hand over my phone, i'm just going to pull up this thread

godsshoeshine wrote:
if a cop ever asks me to hand over my phone, i'm just going to pull up this thread

Or just say, "Do you have a warrant for that?", expect a little attitude, and move on.

Jaguar wrote:
^ Geesh,… the point is not whether or not one is dumb enough to hand their phone over. It's that the cops are doing this regardless of it's legality.

I believe firmly in the process of Natural Selection.

The average person will be intimidated enough to hand anything over to a cop, especially one that might act like a bully. Not everyone is as well informed and trained in the law as you and they know it. The cops know it too and so do their bosses and will sometimes use that against you.

Pretty sad when one prefers a police department that condones such tactics rather than expecting them to operate on the up and up.

An excellent organization to keep up with what's going on regarding tech rights and has our best interests at heart.

Electronic Frontier Foundation

So are you guys saying my refusal to ever own a cell phone could in essence be a good thing?

vansmack wrote:

godsshoeshine wrote:
if a cop ever asks me to hand over my phone, i'm just going to pull up this thread

Or just say, "Do you have a warrant for that?", expect a little attitude, and move on.

youre right. no app for that yet

James wrote:
So are you guys saying my refusal to ever own a cell phone could in essence be a good thing?

no, it means you are an old coot and not with the times yet  ;D

godsshoeshine wrote:

vansmack wrote:

godsshoeshine wrote:
if a cop ever asks me to hand over my phone, i'm just going to pull up this thread

Or just say, "Do you have a warrant for that?", expect a little attitude, and move on.

youre right. no app for that yet

While technically both of you guys are correct, I'd love to be in the background watching which of you have the balls to do this, say it again when demanded, and then get away with it. You 'should' be able to do so but it may not be a nice departing if you get to 'move along, son'. May all depend on how law abiding that cop is vs one with a power-freak ego. Add the pressure from their higher ups and their agendas.

With that said, that is an excellent idea for an app. Maybe one that automatically pops up whenever things are extracted or someone other than the owner accesses the phone.

cops are hot



he can have anything he wants.

All yours, Walkie! Not my type. (And, no, not because he's a cop. Too damned hairy!)

Jaguar wrote:
I'd love to be in the background watching which of you have the balls to do this, say it again when demanded, and then get away with it.

I do and I have.  I've even done it for friends I've been with.

It's not that big of a deal.  As long as you maintain a cool demeanor and don't get hot headed about it, you'll come out on top.  Just be prepared to take a little attitude…

vansmack wrote:

Jaguar wrote:
I'd love to be in the background watching which of you have the balls to do this, say it again when demanded, and then get away with it.

I do and I have.  I've even done it for friends I've been with.

You know, I absolutely believe this. You're very good with that sort of stuff. The thing is, the rest of us shouldn't have to be that well informed and have to be put on the spot like that. You know, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Sadly, that mindset is changing and that is NOT a good way to run society.

vansmack wrote:It's not that big of a deal.  As long as you maintain a cool demeanor and don't get hot headed about it, you'll come out on top.  Just be prepared to take a little attitude…

For the most part, that is true. But, again, we should not have to be put in such a situation.

Personally, all of my dealings with the cops have been very fair, on the up and up and they've all been very respectful towards me as I was to them. It's just that I know there are cases that haven't been so proper for others… and I'm not talking about fools who showed their ass side to the cops and may have deserved a bit of ass slapping. I know you know exactly where I'm coming from.

Oh, except that one cop who pulled me over assuming he'd get himself a DUI. HA!!! Made me walk the line and everything. I even said something to him about this not being an easy thing to do in spike heels. (One of those standing on one leg things or something while testing my balance.) Of course, I passed with flying colors considering that I wasn't drinking. I could tell he was pissed off too but realized that there was nothing he could do about it.

In the meantime, I think he may have picked me because I was the car right in front of him and slowed down just a bit because, 1) I saw a cop behind me and 2) most importantly, all of these other drunks were speeding and swerving all over the place around me! They scared the shit out of me! What a dumbass! Lets the real drunks go and harasses a careful driving, non-alcohol or drug induced citizen. In the end, it was his attitude that bugged me more than anything! Wouldn't apologize or show any kind of real concern whatsoever. He was just pissed off because he wasn't writing up a DUI.

ive talked friends out of arrest several times. calmness and brevity is my wheelhouse

wml7 wrote:

James wrote:
So are you guys saying my refusal to ever own a cell phone could in essence be a good thing?

no, it means you are an old coot and not with the times yet  ;D

So when I hand over my phone, do I have to hand over my battery pack too?

Frank wrote:

wml7 wrote:

James wrote:
So are you guys saying my refusal to ever own a cell phone could in essence be a good thing?

no, it means you are an old coot and not with the times yet  ;D

So when I hand over my phone, do I have to hand over my battery pack too?

;D