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stevewizzle
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Re: NFL January 27, 2015 at 09:53 PM UTC #
Shemp wrote:
So, in 2006 Brady and Manning petition the league to have each team supply its own footballs for each game.  Then since 2007 something very odd has been happening.

Deflated: the Statistically Impossible Patriots Fumble Record

Coincidence?




yo i got some 9/11 footage you got to see thats gonna make you really think
jrpa
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Re: NFL January 27, 2015 at 09:56 PM UTC #
Carlos wrote:
yo i got some 9/11 footage you got to see thats gonna make you really think
I'm mostly dismissive of the whole ballghazi thing, but to what would you attribute the Patriots being several standard deviations from the mean better the 2nd lowest fumbling team? That running backs corp that no one has ever heard of?
vansmack
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Re: NFL January 27, 2015 at 10:15 PM UTC #
ggw wrote:
Actually, they've been "dating" for 2.5 years.  They went public 11 months after his soulmate's death.


I will not acknowledge any more blasphemy on this matter for 14.5 more years.
sweetcell
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Re: NFL January 27, 2015 at 10:30 PM UTC #
the argument is convincing if you accept that corrolation = causation.  the easy thing to say is "well what else explains the change in fumbles" - dunno, but i'm not convinced it's having a little less air in there.  i would love to hear from a RB how helpful it is having a ball at 11.5 psi instead of 12.5.  i suspect it gives you a slightly better grip… but i maintain my (completely unfounded) belief that it doesn't account for that sharp a drop in fumbles.  now maybe other things they started doing to the ball (scuffing, rubbing, etc) might explain it, but i just don't see how air pressure explains it.
stevewizzle
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Re: NFL January 27, 2015 at 10:53 PM UTC #
Julian, wrote:
Carlos wrote:
yo i got some 9/11 footage you got to see thats gonna make you really think
I'm mostly dismissive of the whole ballghazi thing, but to what would you attribute the Patriots being several standard deviations from the mean better the 2nd lowest fumbling team? That running backs corp that no one has ever heard of?


ben jarvis-green ellis never fumbled in NE, and he also never fumbled in college.

i attribute they rarely fumbled the ball to the fact that they had running backs that never fumbled the football. and as far as brady goes… he gets rid of the ball quick, especially from 2008-2013 where they focused on quick passes to guys like wes welker.

also, who ever said carrying a deflated football as a running back equals better ball security?

hutch
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Re: NFL January 27, 2015 at 10:58 PM UTC #
people just want to hate on the Pats


;D
kmdobrz
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 12:17 PM UTC #
hutch wrote:
I didn't know about this rule but I'm surprised its taken this long to establish what is legal and what is not…


http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/nfl-says-solder-touchdown-play-was-illegal?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo


Unpossible.  The Patriots don't do anything illegal.
DeathFromAbove1979
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 02:33 PM UTC #
They're going to looking at the eligible receiver thing in the off season. Patriots did it all season long and it tip toes the line of legality. It's not illegal as long as they have 5 receivers reporting that they are eligible, but if they aren't already designated receivers then they have to do it each play, like a lineman or QB.

The NFL is stupid.
Got Haggis?
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 04:34 PM UTC #
DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
They're going to looking at the eligible receiver thing in the off season. Patriots did it all season long and it tip toes the line of legality. It's not illegal as long as they have 5 receivers reporting that they are eligible, but if they aren't already designated receivers then they have to do it each play, like a lineman or QB.

The NFL is stupid.


I thought they didn't do it all season long, they started doing it against the ravens in the playoffs
jrpa
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 04:47 PM UTC #
Got wrote:
DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
They're going to looking at the eligible receiver thing in the off season. Patriots did it all season long and it tip toes the line of legality. It's not illegal as long as they have 5 receivers reporting that they are eligible, but if they aren't already designated receivers then they have to do it each play, like a lineman or QB.

The NFL is stupid.


I thought they didn't do it all season long, they started doing it against the ravens in the playoffs

That was my understanding as well.
jrpa
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 04:52 PM UTC #
hutch wrote:
I didn't know about this rule but I'm surprised its taken this long to establish what is legal and what is not…


http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/nfl-says-solder-touchdown-play-was-illegal?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Illegal is such an inflammatory word, even if by the strictest definition thereof its accurate. A player was lined up in the wrong position. That happens 2-3 times a game for every team; it's a five-yard penalty for illegal formation or ineligible man down field.

There is a gaping chasm between committing one of the 12 or so penalties committed in every football game since the invention of the sport and "doing something illegal" or "cheating". By that hyperbolic logic, pass interference, delay of game, a false start, and offensive holding are "cheating."

If you want to, then get down on the referees for missing a call, but even the most butthurt New England hater has to find this ridiculous.
DeathFromAbove1979
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 04:55 PM UTC #
Got wrote:
DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
They're going to looking at the eligible receiver thing in the off season. Patriots did it all season long and it tip toes the line of legality. It's not illegal as long as they have 5 receivers reporting that they are eligible, but if they aren't already designated receivers then they have to do it each play, like a lineman or QB.

The NFL is stupid.


I thought they didn't do it all season long, they started doing it against the ravens in the playoffs


I could be mistaken. They could have just pulled the regular "ineligible man down field" and I lumped it in.
hutch
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 05:16 PM UTC #
Julian, wrote:
hutch wrote:
I didn't know about this rule but I'm surprised its taken this long to establish what is legal and what is not…


http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/nfl-says-solder-touchdown-play-was-illegal?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Illegal is such an inflammatory word, even if by the strictest definition thereof its accurate. A player was lined up in the wrong position. That happens 2-3 times a game for every team; it's a five-yard penalty for illegal formation or ineligible man down field.

There is a gaping chasm between committing one of the 12 or so penalties committed in every football game since the invention of the sport and "doing something illegal" or "cheating". By that hyperbolic logic, pass interference, delay of game, a false start, and offensive holding are "cheating."

If you want to get down on the referees for missing a call but even the most butthurt New England hater has to find this ridiculous.


I agree; should've put the term in quotes.. I was referring to the article…..

its become a witch hunt at this point..



sweetcell
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 05:40 PM UTC #
hutch wrote:
I didn't know about this rule but I'm surprised its taken this long to establish what is legal and what is not…


http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/nfl-says-solder-touchdown-play-was-illegal?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

what a non-story.  the play was illegal, but not because of solder's catch, touchdown, legibility status, etc… but because of someone on the opposite side of the formation.  any play would have been illegal, the refs just missed it.

Julian, wrote:but even the most butthurt New England hater has to find this ridiculous.

haters goin' hate.  it's like trying to interject logic into a conversation with a yankees hater, a U2 hater, a GW Bush hater, etc. - ain't gonna work. 
DeathFromAbove1979
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 08:07 PM UTC #
U2 did 9/11
Sidehatch
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 08:19 PM UTC #
^^was that a question or a statement?

what is under Edge's hat…a box cutter…. ;D
jrpa
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Re: NFL January 30, 2015 at 09:33 PM UTC #
Sidehatch wrote:
what is under Edge's hat…
A complete asshole who, despite being in his fifties, self-glosses himself with the lamest comic book superhero name imaginable?
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