Last Great Debut Album?

Originally posted by nkotb:
Yeah, I could see Oasis being mentioned, and Ten would definitely be a contender. Can't believe I forgot that.

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
On the world music scene, Definitely Maybe is a viable argument, albeit its minor effect in America.

Arguments could be made for Pearl Jam's Ten or The Postal Service's Give Up.

If we don't just care about sales/radio play, people need to think about the Postal Service's record. I guarantee in 2009 or whenever Pitchfork/Rolling Stone/etc put out there top 100 records of 2000-2009, that record will be in the top 5 of most. And if "indie is the new mainstream" like Rhett likes to claim, a large precentage of that affect can be traced back to that record.

I was mostly thinking of it in terms of musical impact, which I think is increased by widespread acceptance. Appetite was definitely a punch in the face to a lot of the bullshit pop-metal that was out. At the time, I would've scoffed at comparing GNR to any punk bands, but in retrospect, it's a pretty fitting comparison when you look at attitude and ferocity.

The only think that stops Nirvana is that Nevermind wasn't a debut, and although I can see letting pre-Licensed to Ill Beasties slide, it came out a year before Appetite, which definitely doesn't make it the last great debut :D

Originally posted by Shadrach:
Are we talking about the impact on the music scene as a whole? Society? You personally? The album charts?

Not that either band had any real continued success, but both The Counting Crows and Hootie & The Blowfish had enormous debut albums with multiple smash hits on each one. It wouldn't be too hard to name a half dozen other debut albums that came close to, or surpassed G'n'R both in popularity and album sales.

For me personally though I'd have to go with Beastie Boys - License To Ill. That album came out over 20 years ago and when they played Brass Monkey and No Sleep Till Brooklyn at Virgin Fest the crowd went absolutely nuts.

Of course you could make a very strong argument for Nirvana - Nevermind as well.

The Strokes - Is This It?

They had to change the "sexy" album cover AND delete "NYC Cops" on the official US release.

Originally posted by nkotb:

But beyond that, I can't think of a single debut album that caused such a stir.

Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
The Strokes - Is This It?

This isn't a horrible choice, but I think it's musical affect is proving to not be particularly long-lasting. Are kids in 2010 going to reference the Strokes? Uh, prolly not. But yeah, for 3-4 years there, everything in new rock/indie was reactionary to The Strokes.

I wouldn't have, because 1987 nkotb would've called the lot of you pussies for listening to the Smiths and the Police ;) . But then again, my tastes have evolved past just Anthrax, Megadeth and NWA. Now I have a soft side.

Originally posted by vansmack:
I know you all may disagree with my Killers call, but in 1987, if this board existed and somebody (most likely me) posted about GnR you all would have said the same thing. Especially with all the emotion over the Police and The Smiths breaking up, the hatred of GnR would have been immense.

Agreed, although I think it's a little foolish to compare the shocking impact that the Strokes had when compared to GNR. But does anyone still like the Strokes besides me?

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
The Strokes - Is This It?

This isn't a horrible choice, but I think it's musical affect is proving to not be particularly long-lasting. Are kids in 2010 going to reference the Strokes? Uh, prolly not. But yeah, for 3-4 years there, everything in new rock/indie was reactionary to The Strokes.

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Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
The Strokes - Is This It?

They had to change the "sexy" album cover AND delete "NYC Cops" on the official US release.

Which remain "The two stupidest record company censors of all time."

Oh, the OUTRAGE if right after September 11th, the public were to hear that New York City Cops….ain't too smart. Thanks, RCA!


Brian

Originally posted by nkotb:
But does anyone still like the Strokes besides me?

I like them ALOT, and Is This It? will probably be in my top 15 of the decade, but I can't just pretend they're still having a huge influence.

Interpol: Turn on the Bright Lights

To BookerT and god's shoeshine, I was trying to think of hip-hop albums and drew a blank on both. You may have points there, especially with The Chronic.

Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It In People

Love this record, and it spawned all of those Toronto bands, as well as paved the way for the massive indie rock bands we've got now.

I second the Strokes. Vastly underrated record in terms of impact on the music scene.

I also think the Killers is an apt one, but for that realm of music, I might suggest Interpol's debut in lieu of the Killers.

And if we're not talking about just rock music? Britney Spears, Eminem, Kelly Clarkson…

Originally posted by BookerT:
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Doctor Dre? I've never heard of them… are they a Pixies cover band or something?

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Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Interpol: Turn on the Bright Lights

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
The Strokes - Is This It?

This isn't a horrible choice, but I think it's musical affect is proving to not be particularly long-lasting. Are kids in 2010 going to reference the Strokes? Uh, prolly not. But yeah, for 3-4 years there, everything in new rock/indie was reactionary to The Strokes.

I disagree. I think the Strokes allowed the indie rock crossover - would the White Stripes, Death Cab for Cutie, Bright Eyes, etc have made it as huge if the Strokes hadn't broken down that barrier?

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:

Who listens to "Appetite" any way? Just nostalgic middle-aged guys from the 80's. Surprise! Surprise! Rolling Stone nostalgically looking back at something that happened twenty years ago?! GET OUT! Jann Werner would NEVER do that. He wouldn't do an entire issue devoted to 1967, either. Jesus, why don't Jann Werner and all his "buddies" just die right now?

Last Great Debut? That's easy. "Is This It." And for the early 2000's, it was just as influential as "Appetite for Destruction." How many bands sounded like GnR after that came out? Ok, now how many bands sounded like the Strokes after "Is This It" came out?

I rest my case. Q.E.D.

Brian

You're talking about the same Rolling Stone that has had Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco, and Amy Winehouse on the cover this year? That one?

I do have to agree though that "Is This It" was a great debut and spawned a lot of imitators the way "Definitely Maybe" and "Ten" did.

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Interpol: Turn on the Bright Lights

i love this album, but no. sorry.

Not a debut, but also

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Originally posted by callat703:
Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It In People

Originally posted by BookerT:
Dre - The Chronic

Good Call.