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Last Great Debut Album?

Mobius
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:30 PM UTC #
]Not really. Two different kinds of albums. Reasonable was an introspective album dealing with the privileges, pitfalls & "psychoanalysis" of hustling if you will. A new twist on what was at that time a tired subject.

Ready To Die came from a place of desparation & hopelessness.

:eek: [/QB]


I kind of disagree. Ready to Die was the 'blueprint' of the introspective hustler album. 'Warning' reveals 'desperate' side, but 'Juicy' and 'Big Poppa' are 100% cocksure. the 'hopelessness' didn't come from self-doubt - but from the pitfalls of hustling. I think of Reasonable Doubt as an album made by someone with talent who wanted to make Ready To Die, but maybe w/out the vulnerability.
vansmack
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:35 PM UTC #
Originally posted by bnyced0:
Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
You mean like right here when Miss P started the conversation on No Doubt and I started the tangent?

Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
it's too bad no doubt's tragic kingdom wasn't their debut. or else that would have been my vote.
I was going to say the same, but did anybody on the board besides me, own No Doubt S/T before Tragic Kingdom came out?

Wait, does anybody even own Tragic Kingdom?
Oh, the irony.
Mobius
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:35 PM UTC #
Going back to the original topic, I think The Stone Roses is almost analogous to Appetite for Destruction - replace Britain for US (and ectasy for heroin). Massive impact, massive singles, massive staying power, massive mystique.
buddha
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:37 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Speaking of ska, the Pietasters are playing for free Friday night five miles from my house. Worth the time and gas money?
I think Pietasters were the first band I saw at the 930 Club, years ago - either in '95 or '96. They were great back then. Not sure what they're like these days, as I haven't kept up with them. I haven't been to a ska show in a long time, but I think I'm gonna go to that Slackers show when they come.
xneverwherex
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:41 PM UTC #
no worries - us californians are ahead of the curve! but yes - it was stated in the thread it wasnt their debut album.

Originally posted by bnyced0:
Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
buddha
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:45 PM UTC #
How about Rage Against the Machine?
miss pretentious
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:46 PM UTC #
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
no worries - us californians are ahead of the curve! but yes - it was stated in the thread it wasnt their debut album.

Originally posted by bnyced0:
Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
just because i'm from west va doesn't make me completely retarded, just slightly. hence my entire statement around 'tragic kingdom' so really bnyced0 read the thread first… :D
bnyced0
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:48 PM UTC #
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by bnyced0:
Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
You mean like right here when Miss P started the conversation on No Doubt and I started the tangent?

Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
it's too bad no doubt's tragic kingdom wasn't their debut. or else that would have been my vote.
I was going to say the same, but did anybody on the board besides me, own No Doubt S/T before Tragic Kingdom came out?

Wait, does anybody even own Tragic Kingdom?
Oh, the irony.
Yep, that would be it :cool:
vansmack
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:48 PM UTC #
Originally posted by amnesiac:
How about Rage Against the Machine?
If there is a proletariat revolution in the US before 2012, this album will undoubtedly get my vote.

Otherwise, they are more likely to be on the cover of Rolling Stone when their founding is exposed as a Record Company plot to sell records.
bnyced0
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:49 PM UTC #
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
no worries - us californians are ahead of the curve! but yes - it was stated in the thread it wasnt their debut album.

Originally posted by bnyced0:
Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
just because i'm from west va doesn't make me completely retarded, just slightly. hence my entire statement around 'tragic kingdom' so really bnyced0 read the thread first… :o
bnyced0
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:52 PM UTC #
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
no worries - us californians are ahead of the curve! but yes - it was stated in the thread it wasnt their debut album.

Originally posted by bnyced0:
Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
Ok, now that I've gotten everyone's blood flowing,

"DHC from RICHMOND"

?????????????, CA right?

I would've said Berkely, and they were made up of some of the remnants of Operation Ivy before they bailed but they were super solid and I hated to see them go.
sweetcell
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 09:58 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
I mean, I realize everyone is trying to score indie-cred points by naming obscure acts, but you have to give props to the titans of the scene, hipster props be damned.
aphex twin - selected ambient works 85-92 (if you discount the EPs)
plastikman - sheet one (ignoring f.u.s.e.)
hallucinogen - twisted
daft punk - homework
shpongle - are you shpongled?

that last one, which no one other than azaghal has probably ever heard of, redefined downbeat/dub/chillout. it's impact on the genre was revolutionary… then again, the genre is tiny :)
Venerable Bede
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 10:01 PM UTC #
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
There wasn't anything particularly influential about Tragic Kingdom. Sublime & 311 were already running with the "ska thing" that exploded in the mid-90s.
I'll make a deal with you: I won't lecture you on rap and hip-hop if you promise to not give any more lectures on Mid-90's ska. Mid-90's ska for the rest of America was late 80's for the fine folks in So Cal, and yes, while it was pinched from Marley and the Specials from the late 70's early 80's UK revival, it's evident by your inclusion of 311 in the same conversation as No Doubt and Sublime that you're way out of your league. Fishbone, I would have given you, but 311 is unforgivable. Love it or hate it, No Doubt are credited with bringing Ska to the 90's mainstream music scene, not 311 or Sublime.
here i thought save ferris was the key band in all of this.
Mobius
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 10:02 PM UTC #
I was going to say the same, but did anybody on the board besides me, own No Doubt S/T before Tragic Kingdom came out?

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I'm not from California, and didn't buy the album, but I saw No Doubt open for Pato Banton in Fall 92 or 93. We never forgot the smoking hot singer of that band that opened for Pato.
Venerable Bede
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 10:14 PM UTC #
Originally posted by vansmack:
I was going to say the same, but did anybody on the board besides me, own No Doubt S/T before Tragic Kingdom came out?
no, but i was quite thankful for that release since it allowed 120 minutes to stop playing that god-awful video for trapped in a box.
palahniukkubrick
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 08, 2007 at 10:34 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by you be pickup:
On Avery Island? Get the fuck outta here, Julian.
That was a complete joke. My serious answers are Ten and Give Up.
Yeah, I thought it was. Sometimes it's hard to pickup on sarcasm in internet postings. But Give Up? Get the fuck outta here, Julian.

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Without diving too far in, you wouldn't say The Chronic fits that decription????
Straight Outta Compton was one I forgot. The Chronic is bested by that.

Originally posted by Mobius:
I don't follow the logic of this at all.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a lot of people are naming albums that are very good, and some of the best of their time, but they aren't ones that truly mattered.
killsaly
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 09, 2007 at 12:02 AM UTC #
rage against the machine
pearl jam - ten
daft punk - homework
basement jaxx - remedy
deftones - adrenaline
Korn
Marilyn Manson - Portrait of an American Family
the Strokes - Is This It?
Stone Temple Pilots - Core
the Streets - Original Pirate Material
Tenacious D

some of my favorite debuts
brokensocscene
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 09, 2007 at 02:16 AM UTC #
elj
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 09, 2007 at 03:22 AM UTC #
Originally posted by you be pickup:
But Give Up? Get the fuck outta here, Julian.
Did you even read my defense of this choice on page 1 or 2? I think my argument at least has some merit.
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