Last Great Debut Album?

Originally posted by miss pretentious:
why would you own an album ironically?

I don't even know how to begin answering that question! :eek:

I had to google that one. Does that disqualify it as a significant album?

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
I own Tragic Kingdom, but only ironically, and I've never actually listened to it.

I'll one up you and tell you that I'm listening to it right now, and would have done so with out this thread (which I agree is a great thread).

I'm just prepping for my trip to The OC this weekend.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I had to google that one.

:eek:

Wow. That's so underground.

Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die defined the era and influenced all who followed


The Stone Roses - defined the era and influenced all who followed

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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by miss pretentious:
why would you own an album ironically?

I don't even know how to begin answering that question! :eek:

it's an honest question though. like, did you just get it as a gift and keep it for giggles? or did you actually purchase it because you felt it would look good as part of a collection? or what?

Originally posted by themaestro:
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I thought of this one. It's huge, no doubt, but where are the followers?

Originally posted by miss pretentious:
it's an honest question though. like, did you just get it as a gift and keep it for giggles? or did you actually purchase it because you felt it would look good as part of a collection? or what?

Well, there's some music that people listen to because it appeals to the auditory sense. And then there's some music people listen to because it appeals to the ironic senses.

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by miss pretentious:
it's an honest question though. like, did you just get it as a gift and keep it for giggles? or did you actually purchase it because you felt it would look good as part of a collection? or what?

Well, there's some music that people listen to because it appeals to the auditory sense. And then there's some music people listen to because it appeals to the ironic senses.

but you said you had never listened to it.

If it was the mid-90's and it wasn't country/alt-country, I probably didn't hear it.

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I had to google that one.

:eek:

Wow. That's so underground.

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
There wasn't anything particularly influential about Tragic Kingdom. Sublime &amp; 311 were already running with the "ska thing" that exploded in the mid-90s.

I'll make a deal with you: I won't lecture you on rap and hip-hop if you promise to not give any more lectures on Mid-90's ska. Mid-90's ska for the rest of America was late 80's for the fine folks in So Cal, and yes, while it was pinched from Marley and the Specials from the late 70's early 80's UK revival, it's evident by your inclusion of 311 in the same conversation as No Doubt and Sublime that you're way out of your league. Fishbone, I would have given you, but 311 is unforgivable. Love it or hate it, No Doubt are credited with bringing Ska to the 90's mainstream music scene, not 311 or Sublime.

Originally posted by Mobius:
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die defined the era and influenced all who followed


The Stone Roses - defined the era and influenced all who followed

Already named Ready To Die, but love that you mentioned it nonetheless.

Originally posted by miss pretentious:
but you said you had never listened to it.

I know, I haven't bought out the time to listen to it yet from my busy schedule of blogging about german techno, deriding tinymixtapes for selling out, and working with my band VC++ Build 3.12a on our debut ghost-rock record.

But I trust from a cursory glance at the tracklisting and a mashup set I saw once that it's fairly ironic.

Originally posted by miss pretentious:

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by miss pretentious:
it's an honest question though. like, did you just get it as a gift and keep it for giggles? or did you actually purchase it because you felt it would look good as part of a collection? or what?

Well, there's some music that people listen to because it appeals to the auditory sense. And then there's some music people listen to because it appeals to the ironic senses.

but you said you had never listened to it.

How ironic!? :roll:

311? influence? I thought Page 1 made this the worst thread ever this week.

nkotb - Your criteria was good, thanks for trying, but it's a tough one. I'd probably pick someone who warrants a RS cover in another 20 years, one that impacted most everyone. (Grr- Brain Walalace! [mis-sp. on purpose])

Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette

Sadly it's been downhill for her since.

Few debuts are as huge as Appetite, you will be hearing those songs on radio for a LONG time. If Zep still gets play, in another 20 years you will still be hearing "Paradise City" and "Sweet Child of Mine".

I don't think anything remotely approaches that level, but as far as other debuts from the last 20 years, these are my own personal favorites, and I think they were influential in much smaller circles. But nothing can reach Appetite's enormous level.

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and one that really probably didn't influence many but I still listen to ALL the time:

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Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
There wasn't anything particularly influential about Tragic Kingdom. Sublime &amp; 311 were already running with the "ska thing" that exploded in the mid-90s.

I'll make a deal with you: I won't lecture you on rap and hip-hop if you promise to not give any more lectures on Mid-90's ska. Mid-90's ska for the rest of America was late 80's for the fine folks in So Cal, and yes, while it was pinched from Marley and the Specials from the late 70's early 80's UK revival, it's evident by your inclusion of 311 in the same conversation as No Doubt and Sublime that you're way out of your league. Fishbone, I would have given you, but 311 is unforgivable. Love it or hate it, No Doubt are credited with bringing Ska to the 90's mainstream music scene, not 311 or Sublime.

Dear Smackie,

I didn't say either were great bands. I am endorsing no one. While it's obvious that So Cal was far ahead of the nation's ska curve, YOU must keep in mind that the nation was not NEARLY as cultured as you So Cal folk. I am well aware of who The Specials are & their HEAVY influence on No Doubt as Tony & Gwen discussed that when they first blew. But the average person back then & now has NO idea who The Specials are. But the average person certainly did equate 311 & Sublime with ska. The whole thing started to bubble above ground with "40 Oz. To Freedom" (1992). "Smoke Two Joints" (Don't care for Sublime all that much, but love this song) has been SLAYING jukeboxes for 15 years now. No Doubt hadn't "blown up" per se until my senior year, which was '95-'96. Also if I remember, 311 was all over MTV before them as well. Like it or not, that was back when MTV dictated what was hot or what wasn't. 311's movement started to bubble with Grassroots, which was in '94. Then that blue album which made you really made you hate them forever. Both ahead of No Doubt's explosion as well. Just saying . . .

I don't tend to open my mouth if I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't like to be wrong. I have no issue admitting when I am, it just doesn't happen often. You're still cool as a fan, though. :D

P.S. Do the Mighty Mighty Bosstones fit in this argument/convo?? Cause they were getting burn around that period as well.

Originally posted by TheDirector217:

Originally posted by Mobius:
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die defined the era and influenced all who followed


The Stone Roses - defined the era and influenced all who followed

Already named Ready To Die, but love that you mentioned it nonetheless.

A little emphasis doesn't hurt! I'll add that I don't think Reasonable Doubt exists without Ready To Die (as Hot Fuss does not exist without Is This It)

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