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Last Great Debut Album?

xneverwherex
Joined: September 27, 2004 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 09, 2007 at 04:23 PM UTC #
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
There wasn't anything particularly influential about Tragic Kingdom. Sublime & 311 were already running with the "ska thing" that exploded in the mid-90s.
I'll make a deal with you: I won't lecture you on rap and hip-hop if you promise to not give any more lectures on Mid-90's ska. Mid-90's ska for the rest of America was late 80's for the fine folks in So Cal, and yes, while it was pinched from Marley and the Specials from the late 70's early 80's UK revival, it's evident by your inclusion of 311 in the same conversation as No Doubt and Sublime that you're way out of your league. Fishbone, I would have given you, but 311 is unforgivable. Love it or hate it, No Doubt are credited with bringing Ska to the 90's mainstream music scene, not 311 or Sublime.
some people just shouldnt discuss ska music.
Ummmmmmm, hey X. I'm assuming your last statement was meant for me. You obviously didn't read MY statement very well, did you???? If you're gonna be indignant about it at least read my whole statement first. I simply stated what was responsible for breaking ska into the mainstream. YOU are a cultured music listener. That statement really didn't apply to you, as you obviously were ahead of the curve much like Smackie. Just read my WHOLE statement thoroughly. It's self-explanatory. Do you think I'd be stupid enough to say that Sublime & especially 311 are the torchbearers for ska??? On this board of all places???? That'd be like me saying Kelly Clarkson is a hard rock artist. Come the fuck on. Seriously.
yeesh! you need to chill out seriously. it was written in the course of that whole discussion.

some of us do work and cant reply 2 secs after they read something. that response was written when smackie said his thing - but couldnt post for other reasons till way later.

on that note - im slammed!
Mobius
Joined: March 28, 2002 at 06:01 AM UTC
Posts: 1371
Re: Last Great Debut Album? August 09, 2007 at 06:29 PM UTC #
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by Mobius:
I think of Reasonable Doubt as an album made by someone with talent who wanted to make Ready To Die, but maybe w/out the vulnerability.
I beg to differ, my friend.

Exhibit A: Number One Rule For Your Set/Wanna Live Your Life/Gotta Learn To Live With Regrets

That shit's as vulnerable as chicks at Lilith Fair, fam.
I suppose so - although I think its more 'human' than 'vulnerable' b/c I think the idea is that he'll win (and you the listener can win too) despite his (your) regrets/obstacles. But again, I think he took his gameplan from B.I.G. Sure there are differences, but I think he recognized that he could do what B.I.G. did (and sold $$$millions doing) - but w/ more of an athlete's perspective (overcome obstacles, train, win). Reasonable Doubt is great of course. I'm just saying that it seems like B.I.G. opened the door that he walked through (probably along w/ Illmatic). Like a good athlete, or a good anything, he recognized who was the best (and who the people worth watching were responding to) and tried to emulate them.
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