Big Yawn is a Joke

Originally posted by Celeste:
But cause something is hard and you try does not make you exempt from criticism. Anway, like you said, Redsock, my opinion doesn't bug you, and like Dupek said, you'll probably be rich someday…

Criticism in and of itself is great. And as I said, you made some valid points; that writer shouldn't have reviewed that CD being one of them, totally my fault. I take more offense to the way this was portrayed. Which is why I find a personal e-mail to me more helpful. In a forum like this your message tends to quickly get potrayed as BigYawn is a Joke! and the valid points you have almost become meaningless as they are clouded over by your gross generalizations. But it does increase our level of activity on the site! :-)

I certainly hope Deepak is right. I need the money.

Originally posted by Celeste:
Anway, like you said, Redsock, my opinion doesn't bug you, and like Dupek said, you'll probably be rich someday…

Huh?

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I think there's a difference between criticism and calling a whole group of people "a club of second-rate wanna-bes."

Originally posted by Celeste:

You've just rallied around your pals and against people who are criticising you. That's commendable, sticking up for a friend, but kind of uninteresting and doesn't do much for the discourse on this board.

Except, I haven't met anyone who works on the site, not even Redsock himself. The only person I know of on this board is Dr. Doom…and I haven't seen him in well over a year.

Having said that, I have no agenda in sticking up for these people beyond the fact that we volunteer our time to do something we like to do…discover new bands/CDs and write about them for others. As I said upthread, it's much easier to sit on the sidelines and critique another's writing abilities.

Do I like all the CDs I receive? Nope and I like it that way. If I were to start gushing about every album, I'd hope that Redsock would change it up.

Frankly, the fact that we don't get paid for writing these reviews should show that we're doing this because we want to, not because we have to. So who cares if you get paid to write a newsletter. I'm sure you have people critiquing your work as well, for better or for worse.

Originally posted by redsock:
In a forum like this your message tends to quickly get potrayed as BigYawn is a Joke!

that was the title of the thread.

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
I think there's a difference between criticism and calling a whole group of people "a club of second-rate wanna-bes."

We've been called worse…

Originally posted by redsock:

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
I think there's a difference between criticism and calling a whole group of people "a club of second-rate wanna-bes."

We've been called worse…

by better…

Originally posted by redsock:
But it does increase our level of activity on the site! :-)

"there is no such thing as bad publicity." :)

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by redsock:
In a forum like this your message tends to quickly get potrayed as BigYawn is a Joke!

that was the title of the thread.

No shit Sherlock, that was my point. As opposed to, "Here are a few things I would like to see changed on BigYawn." Now that is a thread I am eager to read.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by redsock:

Originally posted by HerrDoktorDoom:
I think there's a difference between criticism and calling a whole group of people "a club of second-rate wanna-bes."

We've been called worse…

by better…

eh… I don't know, as much as you'd think Rhett and Celeste are the pits, that Dceiver fella is pretty much the sludge at the bottom of the human gene pool. At least they bathe.

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Originally posted by Random Citizen:

Do I like all the CDs I receive? Nope and I like it that way. If I were to start gushing about every album, I'd hope that Redsock would change it up.

you're still missing the point, thumbelina, it's not about liking or not liking the music, it's about knowing your work, and for someone to be a solid reviewer, they ought to have some background…

to those who would criticize how I chose to express my criticism, I'd say the media is the message…

Originally posted by Celeste:

Originally posted by Random Citizen:

Do I like all the CDs I receive? Nope and I like it that way. If I were to start gushing about every album, I'd hope that Redsock would change it up.

you're still missing the point, thumbelina, it's not about liking or not liking the music, it's about knowing your work, and for someone to be a solid reviewer, they ought to have some background…

to those who would criticize how I chose to express my criticism, I'd say the media is the message…

you can shut up now.

Originally posted by Celeste:
you're still missing the point, thumbelina, it's not about liking or not liking the music, it's about knowing your work, and for someone to be a solid reviewer, they ought to have some background…

I disagree. The whole point about writing a review of an album is to say whether or not you, the reviewer, like the album. But then again, you wouldn't understand…

Originally posted by Celeste:
I don't purport to be the person expert enough or knowledgable enough to write good music reviews. I just know a well-written one or a badly-written one when I see one. And, furthermore, writing is part of what I do for a LIVING and I get PAID for it. I don't really care to do it for free in my spare time.

Hey Redsock,

Which artists and songs, specifically, are you referring to?

Originally posted by redsock:


To the matter at hand. Celeste and Rhett (mostly Rhett) have never had good things to say about BY, and their criticism in and of itself means nothing to me. I personally think their taste in music is horrible, their favorite artists boring and many of the songs they love physically make me ill.

in order to make the reader GIVE A SHIT if YOU like the item being reviewed, you need to demonstrate some knowledge of what you're reviewing…

you wouldn't ask a kid to review wine for example…you wouldn't ask a vegetarian to review a burger joint or a steak house…unless you were doing some kind of campy theme review…which, as I'm writing this, I'm thinking would be kind of cool…anyway, I doubt that's what was going on with these reviews on Big Yawn…

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you can shut up now.

why should I "shut up"? I don't want to dis BY any more, but I'm certainly not going to let some intellectual light weight completely miss the point…

who tells people to "shut up" on a chat board?

Originally posted by Celeste:
you wouldn't ask a kid to review wine for example…you wouldn't ask a vegetarian to review a burger joint or a steak house…unless you were doing some kind of campy theme review…which, as I'm writing this, I'm thinking would be kind of cool…anyway, I doubt that's what was going on with these reviews on Big Yawn…

Those analogies are flawed (or flawd) and I hope you realize that. If a kid hasn't tasted the wine, then no, I wouldn't respect their critique. However, if I've listened to an album 3-4 times (which I do for each review before writing), then I feel I have enough background to write a review of that particular album.

Originally posted by Random Citizen:
if I've listened to an album 3-4 times (which I do for each review before writing), then I feel I have enough background to write a review of that particular album.

you feel that way…I'm glad you feel that way…but I would disagree and add that *feeling* or *thinking* you can write a review without a little depth of knowledge of the history of that artist or genre is what would yield reviews such as the ones I found so offensive…

a review is–or should be–more than just opinion

a good place to start would be to ask whether the artist was successful in achieving what they set out to do with the album if you don't know anything about the artist or the genre, you won't even ask the right questions

Originally posted by Celeste:
you can write a review without a little depth of knowledge of the history of that artist or genre is what would yield reviews such as the ones I found so offensive…

Hmm, sort of how this thread makes me feel.

a review is–or should be–more than just opinion

Again, I refer back to…

Originally posted by Celeste:
I don't purport to be the person expert enough or knowledgable enough to write good music reviews.

Meh, I'm bored. So here's another banana…

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