Big Yawn is a Joke

Originally posted by Celeste:
I just overreacted earlier

apology accepted.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Celeste:
I just overreacted earlier

apology accepted.

Originally posted by Celeste:
I didn't say any one had "no intelligence" either…I'm gonna bail on further discussing this. I think those that can see my point have seen it and those that haven't just don't want to…and I don't care that much anyway. I just reacted earlier to what I felt were a couple of horrible "reviews"…

nice try, sonick

you remind me of that Spin Doctors song "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong"

I'm a Mrs.

Going back through all this, it does not seem entirely surprising that an outlet that normally reviews mainstream indie recordings does not like or have much knowledge of country recordings.

Moreover it may do its readership a disservice by recommending such records to its readers who are probably mainstream indie fans.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by Celeste:
I'm a Mrs.

Are you entirely sure about that?

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uh oh…that one hits too close to the bone

I don't know any of you and don't want to get involved in your personal fights but I had a question-
What exactly "qualifies" someone to be a record reviewer- that seems to be what the thread started as? (I highly doubt that most reviewers have some sort of music history degree as a background to qualify them). I would posit that it would be impossible for any music reviewer to be intimately familar with every artist they review to the level that they can cite every prior work, influence, and motivation. Plus part of the experience of encountering any art is to take away your own message not necessarily what the maker intended. Flame away.

Originally posted by tbmtt:
Flame away.

There's nothing to flame in your comment. Congrats! ;)

Good Afternoon.

My name is Jaron, and I am the writer of the aforementioned Loretta Lynn review. I would like to start by saying that my views do not constitute the general opinion of BigYawn, any writer not named "Jaron," or the guy who runs the site. As Eric already pointed out somewhere in this quagmire of a hissy fit, he likes country music. I do not. However, my bias does not change or discredit the two central points of my review, namely: (1) that the indie rock community would not care about Loretta Lynn's album, absent Jack White's association with it, and (2) that the mad rush to give rave reviews to said record (i.e. Pitchfork just included it in it's top 50 of 2004) speaks a paradox of sorts; if Van Lear Rose is truly deserving of a 9 of 10 rating, then - this being an average, par-for-the-course Loretta Lynn album representative of her body of work - the indie rock community has ignored lavishing similar praise on equal records from Ms. Lynn's back catalogue. So, no matter how you want to slice it, they're either pandering or derelict in their goal of informing us of decent music.

That said, Celeste, or whoever still cares 85 posts into this thread, that's my opinion and you're totally entitled to disagree. I said it was an average Loretta Lynn record, in that it sounds on par with her other work, and gave her the rating that from our standard is average - a 5. On a tangental note, I find it funny you and Rhett seem so heaven sent against Eric "advertising" on here (and I'm not neccessarily going to disagree with you on that), yet you cannot follow up your disgust for such actions with taking the high road and emailing myself, or the site's webmaster. Several people have emailed me about reviews they've disagreed with in the past (in particular, one I wrote about Wilco), and the majority was able to express in a more mature manor then crying on 930.com. The thought of you calling my reviews condescending and then throwing a hissy fit on a venue's website is hypocritical at best. I encourage you to email myself or post commentary on BigYawn's message board if you have a follow-up or would like to engage in an actual discussion of the merits of recent album releases, as I will not waste 9:30's bandwidth any longer airing our dirty laundry. It's funny, one of the things I was thinking about earlier this week was suggesting to Eric that we have a mailbox section where people can write in and disagree, and we'd post them on the site in the spirit of fairness. Perhaps in light of this recent unpleasentness, that is an idea we'll take under advisement, but then again, I do not run the site, I just write "closed-minded bigoted rants."

I'm sure I speak for both myself and Eric when I say we appreciate your interest, and your obvious readership of his site and my work. On a personal note, it's so rewarding to see when something I create has such a profound effect on other's lives. I never write a review saying to myself, "Oh, boy, I hope someone will be so clearly affected by my opinion - so stirred with feeling and rancor - that they run to the streets, wraught with emotion, and have to tell others what they've seen," but when it does happen, it's most rewarding. Thank you, God bless.

-jaron
jaron@bigyawn.net

think of it this way.


If i like rock music and i am thinking of buying a country CD, perhaps i would like to hear what someone who also liked rock music thought of it, for I may share thier opinion of it. instead of hearing what someone who already likes country thinks of it.


make sense?

there are no explicit qualifications per se, but if I was to write a commentary on FDA's handling of the Vioxx/Celebrex issue and in my commentary I referred to the FDA commissioner as "this Crawford guy" I don't think people would hold my opinion as valuable, since bu doing this I would have demonstrated that I don't really know much background on the agency or its commissioner…


get it?

Originally posted by elj:
I find it funny you and Rhett seem so heaven sent against Eric "advertising" on here [/QB]

I'm not against this…

Edit

Delete

the dead horse has been beaten

i am out of this one

You remind me of that Beck song "Loser". Or perhaps the Radiohead song "Creep". Take your pick.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
you remind me of that Spin Doctors song "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong"

Originally posted by Celeste:
I really didn't know that SO MANY of you wrote reviews for Big Yawn, and you're right…I don't read all of them…

wouldn't this statement clearly deem you "unqualified" to write a review of BigYawn.net then? which is what you did by starting this topic.

Originally posted by Celeste:
there are no explicit qualifications per se, but if I was to write a commentary on FDA's handling of the Vioxx/Celebrex issue and in my commentary I referred to the FDA commissioner as "this Crawford guy" I don't think people would hold my opinion as valuable, since bu doing this I would have demonstrated that I don't really know much background on the agency or its commissioner…

get it?

Now that is just wrong Celeste, comparing something the FDA did to Joe Blow's thoughts on an album is hardly apples to apples.

"Ms. Lynn was extremely interested in working with Mr. Jack White, whose credentials as a producer and as a musician in the band, the White Stripes, were quite impressive.They speant three solid weeks in the studio, located in Nashville, TN. Mr. White was heard saying how impressed he was with te city, and the studio itself. 'It's the birthplace of country,' he was quoted as saying."

You want to read 300 words of that? The reviews are meant to be intelligently written, off the cuff description of the album. Not reporting for a trade publication.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
You remind me of that Beck song "Loser". Or perhaps the Radiohead song "Creep". Take your pick.

i know you can do better than that!!

come on and use that brain!

So when people on the 9:30 Board have a problem with, say, a David Segal review in the Washington Post, they should simply email Mr. Segal with their complaint, and not post their complaint on the 9:30 board?

That's bullshit, and you know it.

Originally posted by elj:
Good Afternoon.

My name is Jaron, and I am the writer of the aforementioned Loretta Lynn review. I would like to start by saying that my views do not constitute the general opinion of BigYawn, any writer not named "Jaron," or the guy who runs the site. As Eric already pointed out somewhere in this quagmire of a hissy fit, he likes country music. I do not. However, my bias does not change or discredit the two central points of my review, namely: (1) that the indie rock community would not care about Loretta Lynn's album, absent Jack White's association with it, and (2) that the mad rush to give rave reviews to said record (i.e. Pitchfork just included it in it's top 50 of 2004) speaks a paradox of sorts; if Van Lear Rose is truly deserving of a 9 of 10 rating, then - this being an average, par-for-the-course Loretta Lynn album representative of her body of work - the indie rock community has ignored lavishing similar praise on equal records from Ms. Lynn's back catalogue. So, no matter how you want to slice it, they're either pandering or derelict in their goal of informing us of decent music.

That said, Celeste, or whoever still cares 85 posts into this thread, that's my opinion and you're totally entitled to disagree. I find it funny you and Rhett seem so heaven sent against Eric "advertising" on here (and I'm not neccessarily going to disagree with you on that), yet you cannot follow up your disgust for such actions with taking the high road and emailing myself, or the site's webmaster. Several people have emailed me about reviews they've disagreed with in the past (in particular, one I wrote about Wilco), and the majority was able to express in a more mature manor then crying on 930.com. The thought of you calling my reviews condescending and then throwing a hissy fit on a venue's website is hypocritical at best. I encourage you to email myself or post commentary on BigYawn's message board if you have a follow-up or would like to engage in an actual discussion of the merits of recent album releases, as I will not waste 9:30's bandwidth any longer airing our dirty laundry. It's funny, one of the things I was thinking about earlier this week was suggesting to Eric that we have a mailbox section where people can write in and disagree, and we'd post them on the site in the spirit of fairness. Perhaps in light of this recent unpleasentness, that is an idea we'll take under advisement, but then again, I do not run the site, I just write "closed-minded bigoted rants."

I'm sure I speak for both myself and Eric when I say we appreciate your interest, and your obvious readership of his site and my work. On a personal note, it's so rewarding to see when something I create has such a profound effect on other's lives. I never write a review saying to myself, "Oh, boy, I hope someone will be so clearly affected by my opinion - so stirred with feeling and rancor - that they run to the streets, wraught with emotion, and have to tell others what they've seen," but when it does happen, it's most rewarding. Thank you, God bless.

-jaron
jaron@bigyawn.net

There are actually some people in the world who like BOTH rock and country music. Those are the people whose opinions I am going to trust when it comes to a review of a rock or country album. Duh.

I like rock music, but dislike rap. Would you like to hear my opinion of the new Mos Def album?

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
think of it this way.


If i like rock music and i am thinking of buying a country CD, perhaps i would like to hear what someone who also liked rock music thought of it, for I may share thier opinion of it. instead of hearing what someone who already likes country thinks of it.


make sense?