Originally posted by Celeste:You have a point, but none of this justifies the vitriol of your attacks, though. Nor does it support a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples. A classy thing to do would be to apologize.
Originally posted by Random Citizen:you feel that way…I'm glad you feel that way…but I would disagree and add that *feeling* or *thinking* you can write a review without a little depth of knowledge of the history of that artist or genre is what would yield reviews such as the ones I found so offensive…
if I've listened to an album 3-4 times (which I do for each review before writing), then I feel I have enough background to write a review of that particular album.
a review is–or should be–more than just opinion
a good place to start would be to ask whether the artist was successful in achieving what they set out to do with the album if you don't know anything about the artist or the genre, you won't even ask the right questions
Big Yawn is a Joke
If those two reviews are indicative of the lack of musical knowledge of the writers on the site, why would she want to bother reading the whole site?
I for one know that Celeste is not a huge country music fan. But I am. I think I should recieve an apology for the offensiveness of the reviewers in their terse, condescending dismissal of the genre of country music. Better yet, the reviewers should apologize to Jason Ringenberg and Loretta Lynn. Now that would be classy, Doctor Dolt.
[/qb]You have a point, but none of this justifies the vitriol of your attacks, though. Nor does it support a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples. A classy thing to do would be to apologize. [/QB]
I for one know that Celeste is not a huge country music fan. But I am. I think I should recieve an apology for the offensiveness of the reviewers in their terse, condescending dismissal of the genre of country music. Better yet, the reviewers should apologize to Jason Ringenberg and Loretta Lynn. Now that would be classy, Doctor Dolt.
[/qb]You have a point, but none of this justifies the vitriol of your attacks, though. Nor does it support a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples. A classy thing to do would be to apologize. [/QB]
Originally posted by Random Citizen:Well, the whole point of reading reviews is to help the reader determine whether or not they should bother checking out the music. Reviews like the Loretta Lynn review don't really help much at all, in that respect. Two-thirds is a rant against Loretta's attention in the indie-press. The last third basically says "I don't like country music" and "This sounds like a Loretta Lynn CD." Neither of those comments is very helpful to the reader.
I disagree. The whole point about writing a review of an album is to say whether or not you, the reviewer, like the album. But then again, you wouldn't understand…
Does Jack show any influence on the sound of the CD? Is it more bluesy than Loretta's other CDs? Does it have a harder edge to it? Is Jack's production completely unnoticable? Does Jack sing or just play guitar on the track he guests on? Does it sound completely out of place?
A good review isn't about whether or not the reviewer likes/dislikes the CD. It's about why the reviewer has that opinion.
Unless you're Lester Bangs. Then anything goes.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
…the offensiveness of the reviewers in their terse, condescending dismissal of the genre of country music…
Originally posted by Herr Doctor Doom:see the similarity…the medium is the message, as I mentioned before…and the *manner* is the message as well…I think we're on to something now
…the vitriol of your attacks…a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples…
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:it's a bad review because it assumes you've been reading other (ahem, pitchfork, ahem) reviews of the album and that you've been hearing about it in indie circles all year.
Originally posted by Random Citizen:Well, the whole point of reading reviews is to help the reader determine whether or not they should bother checking out the music. Reviews like the Loretta Lynn review don't really help much at all, in that respect. Two-thirds is a rant against Loretta's attention in the indie-press. The last third basically says "I don't like country music" and "This sounds like a Loretta Lynn CD." Neither of those comments is very helpful to the reader.
I disagree. The whole point about writing a review of an album is to say whether or not you, the reviewer, like the album. But then again, you wouldn't understand…
Does Jack show any influence on the sound of the CD? Is it more bluesy than Loretta's other CDs? Does it have a harder edge to it? Is Jack's production completely unnoticable? Does Jack sing or just play guitar on the track he guests on? Does it sound completely out of place?
A good review isn't about whether or not the reviewer likes/dislikes the CD. It's about why the reviewer has that opinion.
Unless you're Lester Bangs. Then anything goes.
if big yawn wants to be kind of a "meta review" depository, then more power to them, i'd rather hear about the album itself.
Originally posted by Celeste:i said you "can shut up" not should. can you read?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:why should I "shut up"? I don't want to dis BY any more, but I'm certainly not going to let some intellectual light weight completely miss the point…
you can shut up now.
who tells people to "shut up" on a chat board?
meanwhile, your ending comment i am assuming was calling my petty or childish, which you have certainly proven today to be the HUGE winner at.
if i recall correctly, you have used your intelligence, knowledge and intellect to utter "little twat", "second rate wannabes", "you don't know shit" , "you ass" and "fool"
hardly sounds like words from an intelligent person!
you have gone off the deep end and made a complete fool of yourself and are too proud and self-righteous to admit it, and you are now finished questioning the integrity of the website, but are now insulting the intelligence of those you choose to keep company with (yes, only on the internet, but you do read and post here)
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:I agree (including the LB point), but the assumption made by another poster is that a writer should not to inject his/her opinion into the review. It's that point with which I disagree. Honestly, I try to avoid using words such as I, me, my, myself in reviews because it's a given that it's my opinion of the album.
A good review isn't about whether or not the reviewer likes/dislikes the CD. It's about why the reviewer has that opinion.
Unless you're Lester Bangs. Then anything goes.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:i am sorry you like crappy music, and i am sorry Jason and Loretta make crappy music.
I think I should recieve an apology …
Better yet, the reviewers should apologize to Jason Ringenberg and Loretta Lynn.
:)
Originally posted by Random Citizen:if you mean me, I made no such "assumption"…but you could mean someone else
but the assumption made by another poster is that a writer should not to inject his/her opinion into the review
…or is it the massage?
Originally posted by Celeste:
see the similarity…the medium is the message, as I mentioned before…and the *manner* is the message as well…I think we're on to something now
Sounds like Markie (back in his glory days) to me.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Celeste:
[qb]Originally posted by sonickteam2:
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if i recall correctly, you have used your intelligence, knowledge and intellect to utter "little twat", "second rate wannabes", "you don't know shit" , "you ass" and "fool"
hardly sounds like words from an intelligent person!
Originally posted by sonickteam2:see my post above comparing my critique of the site with the album reviews
…you have gone off the deep end and made a complete fool of yourself and are too proud and self-righteous to admit it, and you are now finished questioning the integrity of the website, but are now insulting the intelligence of those you choose to keep company with (yes, only on the internet, but you do read and post here)
those who feel insulted insult their own intelligence (or lack thereof) themselves
they don't need me for that
I could sure use a "massage to completion."
Originally posted by econo:
…or is it the massage?
Originally posted by Celeste:
see the similarity…the medium is the message, as I mentioned before…and the *manner* is the message as well…I think we're on to something now
I'm sure McLuhan could have used one as well.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I could sure use a "massage to completion."
Originally posted by Celeste:no celeste, you have actually insulted people directly.
those who feel insulted insult their own intelligence (or lack thereof) themselves
they don't need me for that
or should i say, you have said "insulting things" to people today. perhaps they werent insulted.
Something which you've NEVER done in this board. Hahahahaha
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Celeste:no celeste, you have actually insulted people directly.
those who feel insulted insult their own intelligence (or lack thereof) themselves
they don't need me for that
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:i have never told someone they have no intelligence, no.
Something which you've NEVER done in this board. Hahahahaha
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yup
Originally posted by econo:
I'm sure McLuhan could have used one as well.
yup
Originally posted by econo:
I'm sure McLuhan could have used one as well.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:I didn't say any one had "no intelligence" either…I'm gonna bail on further discussing this. I think those that can see my point have seen it and those that haven't just don't want to…and I don't care that much anyway. I just reacted earlier to what I felt were a couple of horrible "reviews"…
i have never told someone they have no intelligence, no.
I'm sure you will once you find someone with quantifiably less than yourself. :D I suggest going to a hockey game.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:i have never told someone they have no intelligence, no.
Something which you've NEVER done in this board. Hahahahaha