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oh it should be fun to watch, yeah. i'd just think differently as a player/fan of a team playing in it

and if anything the wildcard game winner gets the advantage this year, by opening at home against the division winner. thats the real headscratcher in all this.

anyway i do agree that its a good thing that it forces teams to play for the division instead of merely settling for the wild card. i might be fully sold on the one game thing after seeing it happen
I think the three teams with the best record should get the top three seeds. It's crap that Chicago or Detriot might be a top three seed and teams with better records could conceievably miss the wild card round.
Coming off the heels of last year with essentially two one game playoffs in both leagues (if you remember the last day of the regular season and then the actual one game playoffs to break the ties) it was a no brainer.  That was two amazing days of baseball.

That being said, baseball had to do something after the Yanks tanked in the regular season of 2010 to set their pitching staff up for the playoffs because winning the division meant nothing (it could be argued that they also wanted to face the Twins in the playoffs and let the Rangers and Rays hash it out).

Rewarding the division winners was needed, and the playoffs schedule was already set for 2012.  The only way to do it this year was a one game playoff and reduce the first series to 5 games.  They're going back to a seven game series next year and keeping the one game playoff.  I think they may consider a 3-game WC series then a 5-game series ALDS series in the future, but who knows.

The one game playoff is not my preference, bu I'm glad baseball is doing something to make winning the division mean something.
gaaaaaaaaah wrote:


and if anything the wildcard game winner gets the advantage this year, by opening at home against the division winner. thats the real headscratcher in all this.




yeah I didn't mention this on purpose as I didn't want to muddy the waters…BUT I THINK THIS IS A JOKE..


as my friend said the Nats could win teh division, the Phillies sneak in, win the 1 game playoff and the Nats would have to play the first two games - of a five game series- up in Philly

I don't know if I am missing something but that seems insane.
Relax everybody.  It's only for this season and only happened because MLB changed the playoff format after the 2012 post season schedule was set (READ: TV was arranged around it).

To play the extra game, they needed to eliminate the travel day before game 5.  It was the only way to assure that a game five of the AL/NLDS wouldn't go up against college football or the NFL.  The owners were given the option of the first 3 at home or the last 3, and they unanimously chose the last 3.
vansmack wrote:
Coming off the heels of last year with essentially two one game playoffs in both leagues (if you remember the last day of the regular season and then the actual one game playoffs to break the ties) it was a no brainer.  That was two amazing days of baseball.



But that was a naturally occurring last day of the season, not a gimmicky one game playoff to decide who advances after a 162 game season.  They could schedule a couple double-headers during the year (with separate admission even) and play a 3-game WC series at least.  I doubt that MLB will be shortening the season any time soon.
I wish the wild card game was a series, but it's also exciting to have the one game playoff.  I'm conflicted.  Having the one game playoff means that a greater number of teams have the chance to get into the championship games, but it also makes it harder for us as fans whose team is playing in that one game.

As an Orioles fan, whose just happy as can be that there's even a chance that they'll go to the postseason, I really don't feel like I have the right to complain about anything at all regarding the post season.

I do really hate the Yankees though and wish they would just lose already.

That, I do know.

And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!
And you're guilty of using "whose" instead of "who's".  :P
K8teebug wrote:
And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!
K8teebug wrote:

I do really hate the Yankees though and wish they would just lose already.

That, I do know.



A's / Yankees this weekend.  Somebody's gotta lose. 
everybody wishes the yankees would lose..


i was briefly a yankees fan in the late 70s.. i was obsessed with reggie jackson…. also billy martin..


sometimes i wish i'd stayed a fan but its hard to be loyal to a team from a city you're not from…. when reggie left and billy martin too i stopped caring about the yankees


gotta say though that jeter has really put up incredible numbers… i remember 10 years ago feeling nomar was the better player but then nomar fell apart and jeter just kept on going..
hate the yanks, but jeter's the man. guys like him and chipper are looking like the end of an era, which is sad. jeter should get a nice farewell tour when he calls it a day.
I think you have to respect Jeter.  But I still hate the Yankees!

Got tickets for the Wild Card and Division Series Game 1!!!  (Bought game 2 also but am nice and am giving those to a friend and her family)
James wrote:
And you're guilty of using "whose" instead of "who's".  :P
K8teebug wrote:
And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!



that's because I get excited when I talk about the Orioles 2012 season of destiny.
Adam Jones is now the first player in the history of MLB to have 4 homers in the 11th inning or later in one season.  Obscure.  God love Eric Bedard.

Jon Lester now 14-ONE vs. the Birds.  Let's Go O's.
K8teebug wrote:
And I am guilty of sometimes saying "we", but as a general rule try really hard not to say it!


Who cares?  We keep winning!!  ;D
Good luck, O's fans! I'm rooting for you guys to win the division (and I'm an A's fan).
From Buster Olney's Blog….

The fuel for Baltimore's success
September, 23, 2012

Buck Showalter knows Baltimore is OK when he has to take the ball from his starter.
Buck Showalter will make his way around the field during batting practice before games, and while he'll talk to a lot of players along the way, his primary mission, he says, is to get a read on how his relievers are feeling, how their arms are feeling. He probably spends more time on bullpen management, he believes, than on any other element of his job.

Showalter has learned so much in these conversations through the years, pieces of information that he holds onto as managerial keepsakes. Like when Steve Farr and Steve Howe explained to him how difficult it is for a reliever to generate adrenaline by the third time he gets up in the bullpen during the game, and the toll it takes on a reliever to throw a lot of pitches warming up repeatedly.

The Baltimore Orioles are in contention in late September for the first time in 15 years, and a primary reason is how Showalter and pitching coach Rick Adair have run their bullpen, through a season of extraordinary stress. If Showalter wins Manager of the Year, this should be why.

Because of injury and performance, the Orioles' rotation has been in a state of flux the entire season. This is not the Baltimore of Palmer, Cuellar, McNally and Dobson: Only one pitcher has made more than 20 starts this season.

As a result, the Orioles' bullpen has been asked to carry an enormous burden. Only three teams have generated more relief innings than Baltimore – Colorado, which skewed its bullpen numbers when it went to a four-man rotation; and the Minnesota Twins and Kansas City Royals, teams that have had horrific seasons from their respective rotations.

The Orioles' bullpen has amassed 517 innings this year, or about 100 innings more than the New York Yankees, Texas Rangers or Detroit Tigers.

Yet, the Orioles' bullpen has been incredibly effective, partly because Showalter and Adair have been remarkably efficient in getting regular rest for their relievers in spite of the heavy overall use. Baltimore, for example, had used its relievers on back-to-back days among the fewest times in the American League this year, going into this weekend's series.

The most situations using relievers on consecutive days, according to the research of Katie Sharp of ESPN Stats & Information:

1. Tampa Bay Rays, 115
2. Yankees, 109
3. Royals, 102
4. Chicago White Sox, 101
5. Tigers, 96
6. Cleveland Indians, 87
7. Boston Red Sox, 84
7. Seattle Mariners, 84
9. Los Angeles Angels, 83
10. Orioles, 82
11. Rangers, 81
12. Twins, 78
13. Oakland Athletics, 73
14. Toronto Blue Jays, 72

Adair and Showalter monitor the number of times relievers get up in the bullpen, and how many pitches they throw in that time, and generally speaking, Showalter will try not to use a reliever the day after he's warmed up twice in the bullpen in the same game.

Showalter also will work to minimize the number of times he gets a reliever up in the bullpen, doing so only in specific situations in which he envisions using the reliever – rather than simply creating some comfort for himself by maximizing his options and getting two relievers up constantly.

Showalter says he learned about running a bullpen from talking with players about what worked best for them, about how they felt they had the best chance to be effective.

"Like Steve Farr and Steve Howe told me – when the bullpen phone rings, there's an adrenaline flow," he recalled. "If you don't go into the game after warming up the first time, you can probably get that adrenaline back one more time. But you can't a third time."

Showalter liked to watch how Tony La Russa used his bullpen, in minimizing the number of times a pitcher would throw in the bullpen during the course of a game and a season.

Jim Johnson, the Orioles' reliever who is approaching 50 saves this season, said over the phone the other day, "Every bullet matters. You only get so many in your career, and only so many in your season.

"He'll talk to guys during batting practice, and he'll get a feel for how ready they are. And he'll do that without asking them a direct question" about whether they can take the ball that day.

There are managers in the game today who will routinely ask two relievers to get up at a time, without having a definite sense of how and when they'll be employed, and there have been cases around baseball this year of relievers being asked to warm up during a single game a half-dozen times.

If you ever want to get a true sense of how a manager manages his own anxiety level, watch the way he uses his bullpen.

It's pretty clear that Showalter and Adair have been extremely disciplined in how and when they have used their relievers, and it has translated directly into performance in the Baltimore bullpen.

From ESPN Stats & Info: How the Orioles' bullpen has pitched this season by number of days between appearances.

0 days: 82 appearances, 2.10 ERA, .224 opp BA
1 day: 117 appearances, 2.56 ERA, .235 opp BA
2 days: 106 appearances, 2.34 ERA, .210 opp BA

For the sake of comparison, how those Baltimore bullpen numbers compare to the MLB average:

0 days: 3.54 ERA, .243 opp BA
1 day: 3.78 ERA, .249 opp BA
2 days: 3.43 ERA, .237 opp BA

"You've got to put yourself in their shoes," Showalter said of his relievers, "and think about what puts them in the best position to succeed."

The Orioles' bullpen won in extra innings again on Saturday. From Elias Sports Bureau:

A) The Orioles have won 16 straight extra-inning games, the second-longest single-season streak in MLB history behind the 1949 Indians (17 straight).
B) The Orioles' 16 wins in extra innings are the most for a team in a single season since the Braves won 17 in 1999
C) The Orioles have 11 road extra-inning wins, tied with the 1999 Braves for the most in a single season since 1901.

From Elias: The Orioles have played four extra-innings games at Fenway Park this season, and they've won them all. They are the seventh team in major-league history to record four extra-innings road wins against one team in a single season and the first since the 1975 Red Sox had four such wins at Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. The other clubs with four extra-innings road wins in one year against a particular opponent were the 1920 Pirates (at St. Louis), 1921 St. Louis Browns (at Detroit), 1955 Cubs (at St. Louis), 1964 Kansas City Athletics (at Minnesota) and 1969 Twins (at Oakland).
i've always thought Buck Showalter a good manager…. glad he's getting some recognition.. i guess the rap on him has been that he only does well in the short term when he comes in.

I also think Davey is a very good manager and i think the fact the Nats and O's got good experienced managers after allowing people with hardly any experience to take the reins goes a long way to explaining their success
If the season ended today, the White Sox, with the seventh best record, would be the #3 seed.