ORIOLES

James wrote:
In the history of baseball, has there every been a closer who led the team in losses for a season?

hutch wrote:
fuckin' johnson…

There is no stats for a "Closer".  You would have to say reliever.  And yes there have been plenty of guys who had most losses.  Fro example on the 1970 Senators Darold Knowles had 14 losses which led the team.  In 1974 Mike Marshall was 15-12 with 21 saves and pitched in 109 games all in relief.  Pretty impressive as the team had 33 complete games that year. 

And he probably made a fraction of the salary that today's pitcher makes. Today's pitchers are such pussies.

atomic wrote:
.  In 1974 Mike Marshall was 15-12 with 21 saves and pitched in 109 games all in relief.  Pretty impressive as the team had 33 complete games that year. 

THEY ARE KILLING ME.

d-o-n-e

Shame, too.  Tampa doesn't seem to want the wild card, either.

The Nationals and the Orioles have the same record and both are 11 games out of first place.

I do not think they are done.  Because I believe in Orioles Magic.  But they are killing me.

Murderers are usually fired by their employers upon being charged with the crime.

atomic wrote:

K8teebug wrote:
What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?!  I hate him.

Even murderers get their day in court. A-Rod is waiting for his appeal hearing.

James wrote:
Murderers are usually fired by their employers upon being charged with the crime.

atomic wrote:

K8teebug wrote:
What's the deal with the rules being so heinous that A-Roid is even allowed to play?!  I hate him.

Even murderers get their day in court. A-Rod is waiting for his appeal hearing.

I don't think that is true.  That psychiatrist in the Army who killed all those people I believe was paid while he was awaiting conviction. 

Anyway all Arod is accused of was taking steroids the same thing that every baseball player was doing 10 years ago. 

Everyone else took their suspensions. 

He is a cheater and a liar and a jerk and my most hated sports figure of all time ever.

K8teebug wrote:
Everyone else took their suspensions. 

He is a cheater and a liar and a jerk and my most hated sports figure of all time ever.

That is a big exageration.  Think of all the sports figures who have killed people.  You hate him more than OJ or they guy from the Patriots?  How about Michael Vick? How about the guy from the Olympics with no legs.   Surely you hate Michael Vick more than Arod.  I am sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids.  If you hate people who used steroids you should basically stop watching baseball.

You are 'sure'?  Really?

This is a bizarre stat:

Davis also is the third player in major league history to hit 50 homers and 40 doubles in a season, joining
Babe Ruth (59 homers/44 doubles in 152 games in 1921) and Albert Belle (52 homers/50 doubles for Cleveland in 143 games in 1995).

Like the old saying goes it aint over till Kelly Clarkson sings.

Shemp wrote:
This is a bizarre stat:

Agreed.  And they're three completely different players so it's tough to figure out…

atomic wrote:

K8teebug wrote:
Everyone else took their suspensions. 

He is a cheater and a liar and a jerk and my most hated sports figure of all time ever.

That is a big exageration.  Think of all the sports figures who have killed people.  You hate him more than OJ or they guy from the Patriots?  How about Michael Vick? How about the guy from the Olympics with no legs.   Surely you hate Michael Vick more than Arod.  I am sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids.  If you hate people who used steroids you should basically stop watching baseball.

I actually do hate him the most.

I don't believe everyone was on steroids.  I don't think Cal Ripken was.  I do think plenty of Orioles were (Brady Anderson, etc).  One of the reasons I hope Chris Davis breaks the record is because of Brady Anderson holding it now. 

Steriods is a sad sad part of baseball history.  I don't like A-Rod because he cheats in ways that are not about steriods.  Also, the other players mentioned took their suspensions like men, and he's being an ass about it.

Orioles tied for most errorless games ever!

Why are steroids a sad, sad part of baseball history? What's so wrong with them?

count me as somebody that thinks steroids and all that stuff shouldn't be monitored.. it should be a legal issue not a baseball issue

and if baseball really cares about steroids then when a player admits he used steroids i think if they got a huge contract based on the steroid taking performance then i think the only way to truly fight them is to have the contracct invalidated..

otherwise its all hot air because a guy uses roids during a contract year, pumps up his stats, and then gets rewarded with a 100 million contract.. then lets say he admits later he did use… so he gets a suspension and gets to keep his 100 million?? and then he stops using steroids so he sucks but the team is stuck with him???

there is no way for anyone to really know if davis is using steroids or HGH or whatever.. no way at all.. to simply assume he isn't is pretty naive though…

but there are many players that if i had to bet i'd bet they've been using.. a certain guy who played for the cardinals and put up unbelievable numbers…for a real long time.. for example..and, no, not mcgwire

hutch wrote:
count me as somebody that thinks steroids and all that stuff shouldn't be monitored.. it should be a legal issue not a baseball issue

and if baseball really cares about steroids then when a player admits he used steroids i think if they got a huge contract based on the steroid taking performance then i think the only way to truly fight them is to have the contracct invalidated..

otherwise its all hot air because a guy uses roids during a contract year, pumps up his stats, and then gets rewarded with a 100 million contract.. then lets say he admits later he did use… so he gets a suspension and gets to keep his 100 million?? and then he stops using steroids so he sucks but the team is stuck with him???

there is no way for anyone to really know if davis is using steroids or HGH or whatever.. no way at all.. to simply assume he isn't is pretty naive though…

but there are many players that if i had to bet i'd bet they've been using.. a certain guy who played for the cardinals and put up unbelievable numbers…for a real long time.. for example..and, no, not mcgwire

I am pretty sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids.  Both in the hall of fame.  I think the punishment should be once you are out a season.  Second time for live.  I would blame the union for players being on Steroids.  Only congress getting involved made baseball start testing.  I don't like players being on steroids at all, I don't think it is fair to the clean players.  I would never take steroids.

atomic wrote:


I am pretty sure Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan were on steroids.  Both in the hall of fame.  I think the punishment should be once you are out a season.  Second time for live.  I would blame the union for players being on Steroids.  Only congress getting involved made baseball start testing.  I don't like players being on steroids at all, I don't think it is fair to the clean players.  I would never take steroids.

well i'm just surprised to hear you say that about cal unless you're just saying that to get people riled up…..because he really tanked the last many many years…if he was on steroids you'd have thought he might have pulled a bonds where his numbers got better as he got older..but once he turned 35 or so he really declined..and arguably he was never the same after his greatest year in 1991…. unless you're saying he was taking steroids in the early 80s which is ludicrous i think… not to mention his body just didn't look like it.. i'd bet the house cal never used…. and there aren't that many players i would say that about..