Originally posted by Rhett Miller:I see what you are getting at, but I dont really agree. A lot of Morrisseys solo work is much worse than it.
Listen to "One Foot in the Grave" and tell me that doesn't sound like a Morrissey solo song.
The Pernice Brothers and the Tyde
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:So from that, would you say that the smiths or any morrissey song sounds like any New York dolls song?
oh wait a minute… morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
If no, what is your point?
Originally posted by markie:is that a promise?
If you ask me to go somewhere else again. I will.
Originally posted by Robert Pollard:yes.
Originally posted by markie:is that a promise?
If you ask me to go somewhere else again. I will.
uh-oh, guess who's going to naked woman paintball this weekend?!
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:and the Smiths sound exactly like the New York Dolls….is that what you're saying?
you know i think that the smiths magically sprang up out of the cabbage patch and heard no music whats so every. and created a totally unique sound.
oh wait a minute… morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
Moz was influenced by 60's Brit singers like Dusty Springfield more than anything else.
Regardless of whether the Smiths had an influence on the new Pernice Brothers album, they did have an influence on his new book.
Meat is Murder by Joe Pernice will be out in October. Itâ??s part of Thirty Three and a Third, a new series of short books about critically acclaimed and much-loved albums of the past 40 years. By turns obsessive, passionate, creative, and informed, the books in this series demonstrate many different ways of writing about music, and all of the authors - musicians, scholars, broadcasters, and writers - are huge fans of the album they have chosen.
Joeâ??s words:
About a year ago I received a suspicious email from a guy at Continuum Books in New York City. He said they were putting together a series of short books about music. Each book would be about a single album, and would I be interested in writing one? I don't know if he'd read any of my press, and thus had some inside information or not, but he suggested an album by the Smiths. He suggested The Queen is Dead, but my scheming little mind had Meat is Murder in the cross hairs.
Well, I was certainly intrigued. Even a little flattered. But to be honest, I had suffered through my share of paper writing in graduate school and had spent my last drop of critical juice back in 1997. By the time I finished my graduate degree, I was so burned-out on paper writing that I actually convinced an unsuspecting professor who was a distant fan of my first two records to let me write a ten page paper (my last) on post modernism IN MY OWN MUSIC! Give me a break. I don't know who deserves the bigger throttling for that one. Probably me. No wonder the American educational system is a wreck. I still have not the slightest clue as to what post modernism is.
So a critical book on Meat is Murder was completely out. But the album was so monumental in my life, I had to pay tribute to it. I started thinking about writing a piece of fiction (to protect the innocent and guilty, plus it would be more fun) that would show just how important that record was to a nameless, scrawny, horny, American kid suffering through Catholic school in the deep South Shore of Boston. I ran the idea by my soon-to-be editor, and he went for it.
A week after the Pernice Brothers finished mixing our latest album Yours, Mine and Ours, I cleaned out a five-foot by four-foot patch of floor in a storage closet, wrestled my desk and computer in past years worth of musical equipment that is literally touching the ceiling around me, and set to it. It should be finished by the end of April. Actually, it had better be done by the end of April or I'm in breech, which is all I need. I'm just waiting for my editor to say, "You know Joe, I don't hear a hit."
Meat is Murder by Joe Pernice will be out in October. Itâ??s part of Thirty Three and a Third, a new series of short books about critically acclaimed and much-loved albums of the past 40 years. By turns obsessive, passionate, creative, and informed, the books in this series demonstrate many different ways of writing about music, and all of the authors - musicians, scholars, broadcasters, and writers - are huge fans of the album they have chosen.
Joeâ??s words:
About a year ago I received a suspicious email from a guy at Continuum Books in New York City. He said they were putting together a series of short books about music. Each book would be about a single album, and would I be interested in writing one? I don't know if he'd read any of my press, and thus had some inside information or not, but he suggested an album by the Smiths. He suggested The Queen is Dead, but my scheming little mind had Meat is Murder in the cross hairs.
Well, I was certainly intrigued. Even a little flattered. But to be honest, I had suffered through my share of paper writing in graduate school and had spent my last drop of critical juice back in 1997. By the time I finished my graduate degree, I was so burned-out on paper writing that I actually convinced an unsuspecting professor who was a distant fan of my first two records to let me write a ten page paper (my last) on post modernism IN MY OWN MUSIC! Give me a break. I don't know who deserves the bigger throttling for that one. Probably me. No wonder the American educational system is a wreck. I still have not the slightest clue as to what post modernism is.
So a critical book on Meat is Murder was completely out. But the album was so monumental in my life, I had to pay tribute to it. I started thinking about writing a piece of fiction (to protect the innocent and guilty, plus it would be more fun) that would show just how important that record was to a nameless, scrawny, horny, American kid suffering through Catholic school in the deep South Shore of Boston. I ran the idea by my soon-to-be editor, and he went for it.
A week after the Pernice Brothers finished mixing our latest album Yours, Mine and Ours, I cleaned out a five-foot by four-foot patch of floor in a storage closet, wrestled my desk and computer in past years worth of musical equipment that is literally touching the ceiling around me, and set to it. It should be finished by the end of April. Actually, it had better be done by the end of April or I'm in breech, which is all I need. I'm just waiting for my editor to say, "You know Joe, I don't hear a hit."
QAnd in other Pernice Brothers news:
Joe Pernice was to have married Laura Stein, the keyboard player, a few days ago.
And Bob Pernice's house burned down the other day.
Joe Pernice was to have married Laura Stein, the keyboard player, a few days ago.
And Bob Pernice's house burned down the other day.
Originally posted by Celeste:Yes indeed…good to the under 21 age group.
so I would say mankie NOT liking it is an indicator that it's probably good
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:wow…that is so wonderful…I always worried about Joe a little…now I know he will be cared for
Joe Pernice was to have married Laura Stein, the keyboard player, a few days ago.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:So they're a Talking Heads rip-off band.. :D
And Bob Pernice's house burned down the other day.
Originally posted by mankie:you seem to be overlooking those of us between 21 and whatever age you are…40? I seriously doubt the Pernice Brothers would appeal to a member of the typical under 21 demographic, unless they had a sophisticated ear…oh wait, that's why they wouldn't appeal to you :p
Originally posted by Celeste:Yes indeed…good to the under 21 age group.
so I would say mankie NOT liking it is an indicator that it's probably good
Originally posted by markie:my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be… they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:So from that, would you say that the smiths or any morrissey song sounds like any New York dolls song?
oh wait a minute… morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
If no, what is your point?
Originally posted by Celeste:
This coming from someone who just sang the praises of the twat in the hat!
unless they had a sophisticated ear…oh wait, that's why they wouldn't appeal to you :p
Originally posted by markie:I think the point is that Morrissey likes men that dress as women.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:So from that, would you say that the smiths or any morrissey song sounds like any New York dolls song?
oh wait a minute… morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
If no, what is your point?
I'm willing to wager that the Pernice Brothers would be a lot, lot more popular if they were on a major label. They'd certainly be headlining the 9:30 CLub instead of Iota. Hell, they left Subpop (owned by Warner Brothers) to be on Joe's own label, Ashmont. That's pretty indie rock, aint it?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:They are as English as the Beatles, cucumber sandwiches and croquet.
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be… they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
Nothing in Britain is really British. Its a small island that got invaded a lot. Still some things are so quintessentially British you couldnt mistake them for anything else.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Please, give me anything from a Smiths song that relates to anything from American music or culture…Solo Moz doesn't count.
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be… they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
Originally posted by mankie:I didn't exactly sing the praises…I just said, what's so bad about him…
This coming from someone who just sang the praises of the twat in the hat!
Originally posted by markie:clearly you nothing of what influenced the early beatles and what artists they chose to cover. just because they are british doesn't mean that weren't influence by both american and english artists.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:They are as English as the Beatles, cucumber sandwiches and croquet.
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be… they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
Nothing in Britain is really British. Its a small island that got invaded a lot. Still some things are so quitessentially British you couldnt mistake them for anything else.