Is Justin over 21?

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think this is exactly the meaning she had in mind…

Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.

That describes rather well all music that has been recorded in a studio.

I think the situation contained irony and that Jonny is a hypocrite.

But then he is out there selling a subversive message. At least he isnt doing AMEX commercials with Roger Dalterey.

What is so wrong with doing and American Express commercial?

I would think that a credit card would be the best friend of someone who pays $75 for two t-shirts?

And what is so inherently "right" about subversion or a subversive message?

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think this is exactly the meaning she had in mind…

Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.

That describes rather well all music that has been recorded in a studio.

I think the situation contained irony and that Jonny is a hypocrite.

But then he is out there selling a subversive message. At least he isnt doing AMEX commercials with Roger Dalterey.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What is so wrong with doing and American Express commercial?

I would think that a credit card would be the best friend of someone who pays $75 for two t-shirts?

And what is so inherently "right" about subversion or a subversive message?

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Were you not calling everyone who posted on this board a sheep yesterday? You probably wouldnt like subversion if you were a sheep.

I love you inconsistancy.

the musicians who actually appear in adverts for products tend to be those regarded as more interested in making money than music.

He was in a wax jacket with a shotgun and a fishing rod looking like lord of the fucking manor, if that helps it get on your nerves too.

Does Johnny Lydon give away his riches to the poor?

I'll bet he lives it up pretty fancy just like Daltry. Whereas Daltry's fans are middle ages yuppies or blue collar folks who admire wealth, Lydon's fans are middle aged yuppies who somehow think they are subversive because they still get drunk on a Sunday night.

I think most all musicians are interested in making BOTH money AND music.

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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the musicians who actually appear in adverts for products tend to be those regarded as more interested in making money than music.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Lydon's fans are middle aged yuppies who somehow think they are subversive because they still get drunk on a Sunday night.

no that is just some of the fans, there are also a lot of kids who still dress like punks from 1977 and emulate everything they have heard about how punks should act

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Does Johnny Lydon give away his riches to the poor?

I doubt it, do you?

when have you seen Jonny rotten doing commercials? I bet the who made much more money than the pistols.

I thought Roger looked like a twat, remember he sang "hope I die before I get old".

As for being subversive, well every little helps, try not having a car and being dependant on oil……..

Otherwise the pistols message was anti-apathy. Fuck the hippies that just sat about all day, go and do something. Probably just a reflection of the drugs they took.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think most all musicians are interested in making BOTH money AND music.

odd you should say that…. when was the last new sex pistols or who album?

Jonny is redeemed by PIL, bt its been a while since one of them.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think this is exactly the meaning she had in mind…

Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.

As for Lydon, he was his usual impish self, staring psychotically into the audience and occasionally pausing to blow his nose without benefit of a handkerchief. Still, there was something inherently Obviously planned or calculated about listening to a 47-year-old lead a crowd that could shell out 50 smackers each to see a rock show in a rousing chorus of "I wanna be an anarchist . . . Destroy!"


So does she suspect that John called us all before the show to plan this in advance?

clearly the BEST word here would be "ironic" (so hipsters can be so proud) though I admit that this morning, I may have blearily said it was "phony and contrived"…