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mjnova

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 02:30 PM UTC #

The most reassuring point in this thread was Seth's comment about Prof Griff. I think that says more about quality booking that 20 pages of argument about Timberlake. Clearly Seth is not going to book anyone just to sell tickets (Well there was that Steve O tour, but I won't say anything if you don't).

Look at it this way. If we were in the UK and King Robbie was book to play the club in our town, people would come out of the woodwork to say how horrible he is. If Justin was booked, we'd probably go to see the "big US pop-star". If the JT shows was say $20 cheaper and not 21+ I'd probably go. And if Robbie came back I'd see him in a second. Pop music elitism is kind of tiresome, there's a reason why more folks are listening to Neptunes than say Pavement, not that there's anything wrong with that.

And with that I think I need to preorder my Andrew WK album.

markie

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 02:43 PM UTC #

Jadetree,

I dont like your dress.

Musical elitism is fine. But hey I love my pop too and can stand to listen to a whole Robbie Williams album. I just dont think Timberlakes music is any good. I mean can you really remember the words or the melody or anything about one of his songs after its played? Plus I dont think he is pretty either. Lets face it he is no Joey fatone.

sonickteam2

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 02:55 PM UTC #

Originally posted by mjnova:
The most reassuring point in this thread was Seth's comment about Prof Griff. I think that says more about quality booking that 20 pages of argument about Timberlake. Clearly Seth is not going to book anyone just to sell tickets (Well there was that Steve O tour, but I won't say anything if you don't).

Look at it this way. If we were in the UK and King Robbie was book to play the club in our town, people would come out of the woodwork to say how horrible he is. If Justin was booked, we'd probably go to see the "big US pop-star". If the JT shows was say $20 cheaper and not 21+ I'd probably go. And if Robbie came back I'd see him in a second. Pop music elitism is kind of tiresome, there's a reason why more folks are listening to Neptunes than say Pavement, not that there's anything wrong with that.

And with that I think I need to preorder my Andrew WK album.

Pop culture crap aside, the Neptunes are MUCH better and i think, more talented than Pavement.
but you wont hear me blasting the Neptunes in my car downtown…..

bags

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:01 PM UTC #

Originally posted by BlueStar:
Well, I purchased a ticket and plan on going to the show. I suppose that makes me incredibly "uncool". … So yeah, I'm going to go check out the show at the 9:30 Club. Maybe it'll suck, maybe it won't. But, I'm curious to see him live.

I'm with you. If I hadn't gone to a show every night this weekend, it weren't Monday and it was, say, Thursday, I'd be highly tempted to go myself, just to see what the deal is.

bags

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:05 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No. A Perfect Circle are a major label band with zero indie cred.

Seriously folks, why all the big stink? This is not a hip indie artsy city with a cool local radio station to support the scene. This is a city of policy wanks and lawyers. Sure, there is a small indie rock scene, but most people here prefer major label music, be it Justin Timberlake or Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, be it Michelle Branch or the Dandy Warhols, and that is what a club the size of the 9:30 Club is going to have to cater to.

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DAMN you are tough, Rhett. Remind me not to show you my cd collection; many of the bands can be found on Allmusicguide. What a mainstream loser I am.

mjnova

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:06 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Jadetree,

I dont like your dress.

Musical elitism is fine. But hey I love my pop too and can stand to listen to a whole Robbie Williams album. I just dont think Timberlakes music is any good. I mean can you really remember the words or the melody or anything about one of his songs after its played? Plus I dont think he is pretty either. Lets face it he is no Joey fatone.

If you can't acknowledge that Cry Me A River is one of the most inventive pop songs in ages, and that Like I Love You is the best Michael Jackson rip off possibly ever, than you should probably have your ears checked. Robbie writes some nice breezy summer day tunes, but that's about it. I still love his first two (British) albums, though.

And speaking of Joey, let's remember, Robbie was "the fat one" from his little boy band, and look how he turned out.

When you look at who's pushing boundries in music right now Missy Elliot has most folks beat by a mile. The best "indie" band of last year was a Joy Division cover band, which is great cause they were way before my time, but pop music is surprisingly enjoyable of late.

bags

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:09 PM UTC #

You agree with Rhett, but are down on all the negativity? That's a paradox, or an oxymoron – you know what I mean.

Because I agree with you, Sonick. We get almost every band, major and indie, come through DC, and that's pretty damn awesome. I want to know where these "good Indie mecca cities" are Rhett seems to be referring to. Okay, you're gonna tell me Austin and Minneapolis. Doesn't mean DC sucks, though.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No. A Perfect Circle are a major label band with zero indie cred.

Seriously folks, why all the big stink? This is not a hip indie artsy city with a cool local radio station to support the scene. This is a city of policy wanks and lawyers. Sure, there is a small indie rock scene, but most people here prefer major label music, be it Justin Timberlake or Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, be it Michelle Branch or the Dandy Warhols, and that is what a club the size of the 9:30 Club is going to have to cater to.

I agree with Rhett for once. And i think there is WAY too much negativity on this board at certain times. Christ, you guys could all live in Baltimore where you only get 1/3 of the shows and the rest you have to drive 40 minutes too :)

But I have heard Justin Timberlakes album, and i think it sucks and should never be played out loud. But i have to work tonight , so I dont care about the show…but i may go to the Britney Spears thing next week.

Mobius

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:12 PM UTC #

First of all, i think indie style rock is having a great year even before brmc and the strokes put out albums in the next two months. second, how can you praise justin timberlake for doing a good michael jackson impersanation and than knock interpol for being a joy division rip off?

i'm very curious to know what the crowd is like for a sold out 21+ Justin Timberlake show at 1 am on a Monday.

Rhett Miller

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:14 PM UTC #

I think we get a lot of great indie bands that play this area. Just that the tend to play Black Cat, Iota, Velvet Lounge, and not 9:30 Club.

mjnova

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:19 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Mobius:
First of all, i think indie style rock is having a great year even before brmc and the strokes put out albums in the next two months. second, how can you praise justin timberlake for doing a good michael jackson impersanation and than knock interpol for being a joy division rip off?

i'm very curious to know what the crowd is like for a sold out 21+ Justin Timberlake show at 1 am on a Monday.

He said he couldn't remember the melodies of the songs, and I think he's full of crap and hasn't even heard any singles all the way through. One of his singles was extreamly inventive, the other was a very catchy rip off. So that's a .500 batting average.

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:27 PM UTC #

Originally posted by mjnova:

So that's a .500 batting average.
or it means that half of his songs are shit.

markie

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:29 PM UTC #

Originally posted by mjnova:
I think he's full of crap

You are probably right. Good to get to the level of insults straight away.

I have seen his videos on MTV multiple times. I will listen again now you have all defended him so vehemently.

mjnova

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:36 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:

Originally posted by mjnova:
I think he's full of crap
You are probably right. Good to get to the level of insults straight away.

I have seen his videos on MTV multiple times. I will listen again now you have all defended him so vehemently.

I'm just saying while not being a particularly big fan I find that he has quite good singles, and you're probably just dismissing them out of hand to be reactionary.

sparky

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:41 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Mobius:
First of all, i think indie style rock is having a great year even before brmc and the strokes put out albums in the next two months.

to say that the strokes have anything to do with 'indie style rock' is ridiculous. they are a pop band as much as anything else.

Rhett Miller

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:42 PM UTC #

What exactly is "indie" about BRMC? They are on Virgin What exactly is "indie" about the Strokes. They are on RCA. Has indie rock went the way that "alternative rock" went, and just become a marketing tool? I thought indie rock implied indie label, hence the name?

Originally posted by Mobius:
First of all, i think indie style rock is having a great year even before brmc and the strokes put out albums in the next two months. second, how can you praise justin timberlake for doing a good michael jackson impersanation and than knock interpol for being a joy division rip off?

i'm very curious to know what the crowd is like for a sold out 21+ Justin Timberlake show at 1 am on a Monday.

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:43 PM UTC #

Originally posted by sparky:

Originally posted by Mobius:
First of all, i think indie style rock is having a great year even before brmc and the strokes put out albums in the next two months.
to say that the strokes have anything to do with 'indie style rock' is ridiculous. they are a pop band as much as anything else.

I thought every band with shaggy haircuts was indie style rock? shit.

sonickteam2

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 03:44 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What exactly is "indie" about BRMC? They are on Virgin What exactly is "indie" about the Strokes. They are on RCA. Has indie rock went the way that "alternative rock" went, and just become a marketing tool? I thought indie rock implied indie label, hence the name?

would that make the White Stripes an Indie band? (they are V2 right?)

Mobius

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 04:07 PM UTC #

That's why I said indie "style" instead of indie. I really don't what indie is, but I'd say, other than technically, brmc, white stripes and the strokes still "feel" indie (of course, i haven't heard the new brmc or strokes so that's an assumption). each band still lives in its own universe despite big label support. you could say that also makes a band like phish indie, and that's probably true- just not indie rock, more like indie shit.

Rhett Miller

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 04:10 PM UTC #

The Strokes and Stripes are just as shitty to me as Phish is. So it's really all subjective.

Originally posted by Mobius:
That's why I said indie "style" instead of indie. I really don't what indie is, but I'd say, other than technically, brmc, white stripes and the strokes still "feel" indie (of course, i haven't heard the new brmc or strokes so that's an assumption). each band still lives in its own universe despite big label support. you could say that also makes a band like phish indie, and that's probably true- just not indie rock, more like indie shit.

bags

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Re: Is Justin over 21? August 25, 2003 at 04:10 PM UTC #

Originally posted by Mobius:
you could say that also makes a band like phish indie, and that's probably true- just not indie rock, more like indie shit.

HA ha ha – bravo, Mobius.