Is Justin over 21?

I just noticed the Timberlake show is 21+. What up with that, Seth? I thought 9:30 was all ages all times.

Since he probably won't start til 12:30 a.m. or 1 a.m. it probably isnt a bad move making it over 21.

Timberlake is probably very expensive, in order to make any money (sometimes break even) you have to have drinkers in there. Can't pack a house with people who are buying sodas and water and still be able to afford a high-priced act.

Justin is now trying to appeal to a more adult audience. It's probably the only way that they could force the little girlies out and maintain an entirely "adult" audience. Also, by restricting the crowd to adults only, it makes it look like it's working.

Is Justin over 21 centimeters???

Fuck a damn Justin, when is Michael Jackson cumming? Justin Timberlake??? 930 has just lost any cred it once had.

And howzabout that Partridge family reunion ?

Originally posted by +H� �ömþæ¥ Ððør§:
Is Justin over 21 centimeters???

Fuck a damn Justin, when is Michael Jackson cumming? Justin Timberlake??? 930 has just lost any cred it once had.

And howzabout that Partridge family reunion ?

I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff. What a bunch of crap. The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit? Without the occasional big name act/big ticket price you wouldn't get all the ultra hip indie rock or alt country or whatever is currently cool to like shows with the $15 ticket price.

Originally posted by Shadrach:
I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff. What a bunch of crap. The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit? Without the occasional big name act/big ticket price you wouldn't get all the ultra hip indie rock or alt country or whatever is currently cool to like shows with the $15 ticket price.

Thank you, Shadrach. I resent hearing people complain about 930 "selling out" or whatever…. if you don't bring in money, you can't stay in business nor can you bring in the elitist indie fuck bands….Besides, I bet the Justin show will be interesting. He's not untalented. Everyone (well a lot of people) on this board claim to "listen to everything" or at least have some form of variance in their musical tastes… and then they immediately slam (did i just use that word?) Justin Timberlake, when there really are worse things in music. :mad:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff[…]The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit?[/QB]

You seem to be saying here, Sadsack, that integrity can be de-linked from business practice. Via your logic, booking OJ Simpson would bring high-paying hordes thru the gates too. A stinkeroo like Justin leaves a definite, cheesy aftertaste.

Originally posted by paige:
Thank you, Shadrach[…]Besides, I bet the Justin show will be interesting. He's not untalented[…]there really are worse things in music.

Just what was Justin's main talent again? He's the prepackaged "Tiger Beat" Leif Garrett of today. He's a dumbed-down, Wal-Mart version of David Cassidy.
"…not untalented," indeed! His mother, his agent and all of their accountants would, doubtless agree with your assessment of his 'bankable' talent, paige. He's product. You're a tool.

"I swear that you are Hitler's clone
You spread disease wherever you roam
Got the brains of a garden gnome
Why are you a moron?"

Originally posted by +H� �ömþæ¥ Ððør§:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff[…]The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit?

You seem to be saying here, Sadsack, that integrity can be de-linked from business practice. Via your logic, booking OJ Simpson would bring high-paying hordes thru the gates too. A stinkeroo like Justin leaves a definite, cheesy aftertaste.

Originally posted by paige:
Thank you, Shadrach[…]Besides, I bet the Justin show will be interesting. He's not untalented[…]there really are worse things in music.

Just what was Justin's main talent again? He's the prepackaged "Tiger Beat" Leif Garrett of today. He's a dumbed-down, Wal-Mart version of David Cassidy.
"…not untalented," indeed! His mother, his agent and all of their accountants would, doubtless agree with your assessment of his 'bankable' talent, paige. He's product. You're a tool.

"I swear that you are Hitler's clone
You spread disease wherever you roam
Got the brains of a garden gnome
Why are you a moron?" [/QB]

Yawn. Get some new material.

just got back from being away for a week, so sorry for the delay in responding

OK…first things first…

the 21 and over thing was totally Justin's deal. he is definitely trying to establish the aforementioned "cred", and wanted it to be grown-ups only, presumably to be more performance-oriented and less screamy. also, because it's such a late show, the thought was that it might be irresponsible to allow such a young crowd to be defying mommy & daddy and coming down to the bowels of the U Street corridor after Metro. or maybe they were trying to protect mommy & daddy. in any event, we didn't feel it was worth fighting over. had it been a regular showtime, we definitely would have.

now, about this "cred" thing. there's this judge somehwere down South thinking that the Ten Commandments is the ultimate "cred" and that everybody should fall in line with that way of thinking. the Nazis had a similar approach (as do most Republicans, IMHO). who is to say what is hip and what is not? try and tell the people that fill up the club for Justin that they should NOT be enjoying this.

there is a big difference between promoting a murderer and/or bigot (we once refused Professor Griff a gig until he apologized for his remarks, which he didn't), and a boy-band refugee. personally, I think that people that take all of this that seriously should get over themselves, and try and learn how to be happier. I'll say it agian…stop thinking about what you're thinking about and just enjoy life.

Originally posted by Shadrach:
Yawn. Get some new material.

I second that. You're starting to repeat yourself. Calling me a tool doesn't help, either.

Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
just got back from being away for a week, so sorry for the delay in responding

OK…first things first…

the 21 and over thing was totally Justin's deal. he is definitely trying to establish the aforementioned "cred", and wanted it to be grown-ups only, presumably to be more performance-oriented and less screamy. also, because it's such a late show, the thought was that it might be irresponsible to allow such a young crowd to be defying mommy & daddy and coming down to the bowels of the U Street corridor after Metro. or maybe they were trying to protect mommy & daddy. in any event, we didn't feel it was worth fighting over. had it been a regular showtime, we definitely would have.

now, about this "cred" thing. there's this judge somehwere down South thinking that the Ten Commandments is the ultimate "cred" and that everybody should fall in line with that way of thinking. the Nazis had a similar approach (as do most Republicans, IMHO). who is to say what is hip and what is not? try and tell the people that fill up the club for Justin that they should NOT be enjoying this.

there is a big difference between promoting a murderer and/or bigot (we once refused Professor Griff a gig until he apologized for his remarks, which he didn't), and a boy-band refugee. personally, I think that people that take all of this that seriously should get over themselves, and try and learn how to be happier. I'll say it agian…stop thinking about what you're thinking about and just enjoy life.

yeah everybody shut up, Justin is going to have a real problem selling records and tickets if you say it is not cool to like him, you have to like him, it is not ok to think there is such a thing as god awful music, espcially when it is force fed to everyone through every method possible, how many places are most bands that people like on this board dismissed out of pure ignorance and Justin praised out of pure spending power, I think it is fine for a few people on this board to say Justin is not cool, doh! stop thinking, enjoy life, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, the computer has lights on it, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

why doesn't everybody just stop being so sensitive about what people say is cool or not

As an analogy, the "old" Nightclub 930 was comparable to the old WHFS's programming department.

And the new 930 to the new & improved 'HFS as well…

BTW: …Sorry for existing. I'm simply waiting for Dr.Kevorkian's parole.

maybe justin timberlake is crap. maybe everything you or i listen to is crap. if about a thousand people, many of whom are probably going to his show at mci as well, want to drop $45 to see him and have a great time, what difference is it to you? nobody's making anybody listen, or go to the show.

news flash: musical taste is subjective. it cannot be quantified.

everything is crap to somebody.

i'm curious as to why you assume that the music you like is dismissed based on ignorance, but that timberlake is popular just because of spending power. it seems an awfully biased way of looking at things to me.

if it's possible that you have listened to both types of music and decided on one option, it's possible that others have done the same and decided on another option. it's also possible that there are people that listen to both. odd how that works, isn't it?

Originally posted by thatguy:
maybe justin timberlake is crap. maybe everything you or i listen to is crap. if about a thousand people, many of whom are probably going to his show at mci as well, want to drop $45 to see him and have a great time, what difference is it to you? nobody's making anybody listen, or go to the show.

news flash: musical taste is subjective. it cannot be quantified.

everything is crap to somebody.

i'm curious as to why you assume that the music you like is dismissed based on ignorance, but that timberlake is popular just because of spending power. it seems an awfully biased way of looking at things to me.

if it's possible that you have listened to both types of music and decided on one option, it's possible that others have done the same and decided on another option. it's also possible that there are people that listen to both. odd how that works, isn't it?

ig·no·rance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-ns)
n.
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

I know from experience that most people (outside of this board) have never heard of a lot of the music I listen to, and therefore are ignorant of it. I also am guessing a lot of people heard of Justin Timberlake because there is a lot of money being spent to make it that way. My point being what does it hurt if I state my opinion that Justin Timberlake sucks. He will still sell tickets for $45, so why do you care if I say anything about him.

and the fact is, this is not about being cool or not, a lot of bands that I like struggle to make it because of the music industry, if people heard them, they would probably be pretty succesful, i bet if you take any song and play it on the radio a lot it will be successful, so it pisses me off to see Justin Timberlake get this kind of success because years ago he was probably picked out of some audition to be in a boy band and sing music written by somebody else

Originally posted by +H� �ömþæ¥ Ððør§:
As an analogy, the "old" Nightclub 930 was comparable to the old WHFS's programming department.

And the new 930 to the new & improved 'HFS as well…

.

I booked both the old and the new 930, and my criteria has never changed - I try and book:
A. what I think people want to see
B. what I think people need to start seeing
C. what I think might turn some heads, good or bad

as there are only so many nights on the calendar, I often have to pick between several different shows available. that is probably where people pick up on our preferences, as we tend to book what we think are more "important" stuff, artistically and/or culturally.

but, rest assured, if nobody else wanted the dates, and we could book a month of Justin Timberlake sell-outs, I'd do it with no apologies.

Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
the 21 and over thing was totally Justin's deal. he is definitely trying to establish the aforementioned "cred", and wanted it to be grown-ups only, presumably to be more performance-oriented and less screamy. also, because it's such a late show, the thought was that it might be irresponsible to allow such a young crowd to be defying mommy & daddy and coming down to the bowels of the U Street corridor after Metro. or maybe they were trying to protect mommy & daddy. in any event, we didn't feel it was worth fighting over. had it been a regular showtime, we definitely would have.

Thank you for answering what was actually a semi-serious question (I just wanted to see how you spun it). It's too bad it became stupid flamefest.

who is to say what is hip and what is not?

Thirty years ago, Tower of Power sang a song that says all you need to know:

So you want to jump out your trick bag
And ease on into a hip bag
But you ain't just exactly sure what's hip

So you start to let your hair grow
Spend big bucks to cop you a wardrobe
But somehow you know there's much more to the trip

chorus
WHAT IS HIP?
Tell me - tell me if you think you know
WHAT IS HIP?
If you was really hip
The passing years would show
You into a hip trip
Maybe hipper than hip
But WHAT IS HIP?

So you become part of the new breed
Been smokin' only the best weed
Been hangin' out on the so-called hippest set

Been seen at all the right places
Been seen with just the right faces
You should be satisfied
Still it ain't quite right

chorus

bridge
Hipness is - What it is! ( X 3)
And sometimes hipness is
What it ain't!

You done even went and found you a guru
In your effort to find you a new you
And maybe even managed
To raise your conscious level

As you striving to find the right road
There's one thing you should know
What's hip today
Might become passe

chorus to end

I can only speak for myself here but personally, I appreciate it when the club books an act now and then that I have no fucking interest in. As much as I want an exclusive 6 bedroom penthouse apartment hooked up with the 9:30 Club, it ain't happening. There is no way on this Earth that I can afford the time or the money to attend the club 3 or more nights a week, every week. And that doesn't even count the drive from north of Baltimore that I have to contend with!

In the meantime, I think it's great that the club use what they have to offer to please others and (hopefully) rake in some good cash so that we (the hipsters…. :D :roll: ) can continue to see all the cool shows that we get to see, some on a very initmate and non-profitable basis.

It's justin timberlake. it's a monday night. It's after 11 frickin' 30 at night. I'd never go to it, it's a crazy ass time, it's certainly not keeping any band out that I *would* have gone to see that late on a Monday night.

So what do I care? I think it's a hoot that Justin is going to bring in so much crazy money to the 9:30 Club, and actually, the idea of an adult show after the craziness that must be the MCI center show is really intriguing – I can't wait to hear about it. Hell, Justin's helping to pay for my Idlewild and Mike Doughty shows.

Seth, go for it my man. D.C. is a big city, and i love that I can both count on the 9:30 club for 5 - 10 shows I month I want to go to, and on the other nights, there are shows *other* folks want to go to.

Why do people get so wound up over things like this?

…. I actually like, "Justified" and would go if he sings, "Gone".

Seth: Good call on the Prof. Griff gig. Some promoters would had booked the guy regardless of what he has said about ethnic groups.