Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 06:54 PM UTC
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So basically, "indie" is an ever changing, ever evolving phrase which basically means whatever music sonick happens to like at the moment.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I say yes, you do lose the "indie" tag. But who said indie=good, majors=bad?
Nobody. But "indie" is more often used to describe a band's style of music than to describe the band's business arrangements. I mean, you call a band alt-country whether they are on a major or an independent. Same with metal. But when someone says an "indie" band, do you think, "A band that is not business partners with a multi-national recording company?" Or do you take that term to mean they sound unlike what is generally played on the narrow confines of radio and MTV?
I agree totally here. "indie" came from Independent. However, it has grown to more than that. Because when i say "alternative", thats Smashing Pumpkins, Our Lady Peace, Staind, blah blah blah, whatever. And then theres Indie which is the likes of bands on Victory, Sup-Pop, TVT (are they independent still?) XL , V2 , whatever, but if Badly Drawn Boy was on an independent label and then he signed to Warner, what would he be then? Alternative? nooooo, i dont think so, and isnt Dashboard Confessional on an indie label still?
The point is , we ALL know what "indie" originally meant, but it has kinda changed the way its thrown around, unless you are really old and out of touch i suppose.
i dont even like to use the word indie for this reason , however.
markie
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 06:59 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
So basically, "indie" is an ever changing, ever evolving phrase
words never start out meaning one thing and get used for something else?
deck1   ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (dk)
n.
A platform extending horizontally from one side of a ship to the other.
A platform or surface likened to a ship's deck.
A roofless, floored structure, typically with a railing, that adjoins a house.
The roadway of a bridge or an elevated freeway.
A pack of playing cards.
A group of data processing cards.
A tape deck.
Slang. A packet of narcotics.
Joymonster
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 07:05 PM UTC
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Dashboard Confessional…
Vagrant/ Interscope Records
sonickteam2
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 07:07 PM UTC
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thank you Anton
Rhett is old and has been listening to so much alt-country lately , he has trouble understanding things. And is starting to talk nonsense.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 07:12 PM UTC
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SOMEDAY YOU'LL BE AS OLD AS I AM NOW AND MAYBE EVEN HALF AS WISE
markie
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 07:14 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
thank you Anton
Anytime…..
I think the word changed in meaning for me when I discovered indie music charts in the mid to late 80's Erasure and Depeche Mode always seemed to be #1 , Mute is an in dependent. Yet neither band really fit in with anything else on the chart……. I dont think of them as indie bands, because their sound was so mainstream.
markie
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 07:15 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
WISE
Wise enough to turn "caps" off after typing in code?
Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 07:57 PM UTC
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i DON'T HATE EVERYTHING THAT IS TALKED ABOUT, JUST most OF IT. IT'S CALLED QUALITY CONTROL. IF I LIKED EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MOST THINGS, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TASTE. IT'S THE FACT THAT I ONLY LIKE A SMALL MINORITY OF MUSIC THAT MEANS I ACTUALLY HAVE TASTE. NOT NECESSARILY GOOD TASTE, BECAUSE TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE MIND YOU, BUT IF YOU LIKE most OF THE MUSIC THAT IS DISCUSSED ON THIS BOARD, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE DISCERNING ENOUGH TASTE.
Originally posted by mjnova:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
SOMEDAY YOU'LL BE AS OLD AS I AM NOW AND MAYBE EVEN HALF AS WISE
Sometimes I'm confused why people come to web boards and interject endlessly when they hate everything that's talked about. Maybe it's some kinda genetic defect. If I was a doctor I'd research it. Interesting stuff, to say the least.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:08 PM UTC
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What I was saying was that if you like MOST music, you really don't have any taste.
It's like a fat person who will basically eat anything that's put on a plate in front of them just because it's there.
I choose not to be one of those people.
markie
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:09 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[Q being picky does not mean having "better" taste, it may mean having "LESS" taste though.
Rhett only ever admits to liking alt-country, therefore he is never going to like everything in this indie rock/pop dominated forum. I bet he likes most everything they talk about in an alt-country forum like that of Robbie Fulks.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:10 PM UTC
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I mean lets face it. Most of you are fucking sheep. Whatever NME or pitchfork tells you you're supposed to like, you like. You all basically like the same stuff, because that's what you're told to like.
markie
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:13 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Most of you are fucking sheep.
So how do you find about bands you might like?
Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:14 PM UTC
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oH WAIT, i'M SORRY, SONICK. your taste seems to be more formed by reading SPIN than pitchfork or NME, but same idea
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I mean lets face it. Most of you are fucking sheep. Whatever NME or pitchfork tells you you're supposed to like, you like. You all basically like the same stuff, because that's what you're told to like.
bags
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:15 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I mean lets face it. Most of you are fucking sheep. Whatever NME or pitchfork tells you you're supposed to like, you like. You all basically like the same stuff, because that's what you're told to like.
If that were the case, I'd follow Superchunk. Just ask my friends about that one – yucky yuck yuck.
This conversation is getting more and more inane.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:16 PM UTC
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mostly i listen to kexp. if something catches my ear, i go to amazon and listen to soundclips. if soundclips aren't avaiable, i'll go to their website and listen to them or read any reviews that have been posted.
Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Most of you are fucking sheep.
So how do you find about bands you might like?
markie
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Re: Is Justin over 21?
August 25, 2003 at 08:22 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] mostly i listen to kexp. Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
[qb]
but that places you at the same level of sheepdom as me and I wager most of the rest of us. I listen to woxy and virgin radio and lots of duff free/cheap samplers from game exchange…..
The bands that are played on KEXP are the very same bands that get in NME and pitchfork.
So please take this in a non aggressive, not sarcastic way (think thatguy), what makes you so unique?