V Fest

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I guess I agree to an extent. I purchase one NAD album on cassette and zero EMF, back in the day.

But try listening to NAD now and and no doubt you'll be asking yourself, "What the hell was I thinking."

umm i still do listen to NAD. i dont usually say 'what the hell was i thinking' unless i put in expose or stacey q or europe. then i go 'hmm i was really young then'.

and btw - you may want to expand past their first album grey cell green, which i assume you own. i think a lot of their other stuff was really good (and still is). i love their cover of saturday night.

Originally posted by xneverwherex:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I guess I agree to an extent. I purchase one NAD album on cassette and zero EMF, back in the day.

But try listening to NAD now and and no doubt you'll be asking yourself, "What the hell was I thinking."

umm i still do listen to NAD. i dont usually say 'what the hell was i thinking' unless i put in expose or stacey q or europe. then i go 'hmm i was really young then'.

and btw - you may want to expand past their first album grey cell green, which i assume you own. i think a lot of their other stuff was really good (and still is). i love their cover of saturday night.

There are a few on this board that just don't dig NAD. Fret not, enjoy this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI6maFP7tJc&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0tu6kclScY

p.s. Curling is cool!

Thanks! Ill have to watch it completely later, but the saturday night video was cool from what i saw :)

ok now off to my second 'job' of volunteering. let the fun begin, known as tribeca film fest.

Yeah, I've got to split too, for my 'second' job of freelancing. Let the fun being, known as being the web manager for Downey Communications.

Originally posted by xneverwherex:
ok now off to my second 'job' of volunteering. let the fun begin, known as tribeca film fest.

Seth, just face it. You love to read us bitching as much as we all love to bitch. :p

To be honest, for a variety of reasons, I doubt that I can make it this year regardless of who plays and what it costs. But that's just me; 1 measly potential ticket. Nothing whatsoever against anything involving the festival. Purely my personal life circumstances, schedules, etc.. Then again, by then, who knows. Either way, because of that, I'm actually hoping that it's full of bands that a lot of people what to see except for me. That way I won't anquish over missing whomever.

I don't have the inside track of what everything costs so it's a bit difficult for me to see how good the price may be. Though it looks about right from what I can tell.

With all that said, I have to admit that I am very proud that the world famous V Fest is being held in Baltimore. We finally got a music festival in our neck of the woods and it's a good one. I want it all to succeed and hoping that as things are worked out, bands that the locals like get booked. Something to make everyone happy. Hopefully, by next year, I'll be able to take the V Fest weekend for myself and it will be something I can afford with bands that I want to see. In the meantime, I'm just hoping everything takes off without a hitch and it proves to be loads of fun for all. I'll settle for my virtual festival high for now and keep my bitching to a minimum.

"Are You Normal?" by NAD still gets regular play. Really, really great stuff. Especially the songs "Walking Through Syrup", "Intact", "Who Goes First?" and "Tantrum". And the single that came out last year ("Hibernation") is one of their best songs. I play that for people that never heard Ned's and they ALWAYS ask what it is because it catches their ear.

Originally posted by bearman:
"Are You Normal?" by NAD still gets regular play. Really, really great stuff. Especially the songs "Walking Through Syrup", "Intact", "Who Goes First?" and "Tantrum". And the single that came out last year ("Hibernation") is one of their best songs. I play that for people that never heard Ned's and they ALWAYS ask what it is because it catches their ear.

I caught that tour at WUST and the T shirt I bought had just Are You Normal? printed on it. Talk about getting some weird looks walking around.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
You've seen Amy Winehouse, the Fratellis, and Paolo Nutini multiple times?

I have absolutely no interest in those three bands, whatsoever, be it in a living room setting or in a festival setting. Tried listening to them all since they were mentioned so much and…… yeah. Not my thing.

(and I've seen 311 closer to 20 times, especially since I'm from the midwest and used to work with the Urge, VR just once and once was enough since I almost got ejected for kicking a woman in the face after she bit my arm for the guy's drumstick.)

GOODMORNING

modest mouse
peter bjorn and john
digweed
fratellis
incubus
amy winehouse
lcd soundsystem
ben harper
tv on the radio
police
beastie boys
cheap trick
fountain of wane
danny tenaglia
booka shade
fiction plane
felix da housecat
shout out out out

augst 5
Pumpkins
WU TANG CLAN
INTERPOL
311
Chris Cornell
Bad Brains
Regina Spektor
Spoon
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Matisyau
CSS
MIA
crystal method
a couple more

1st day- great
2nd day- yawn

thanks seth for the last minute booking of cheap trick ;)

I will have to say day one is pretty awesome i wish that CSS and Girl Talk would sneak over to day one.


Any breakdown between main and second stage yet?

Originally posted by Cash is King:
Hahahaha.
It still features one of the GREATEST punk bands ever, one of the BEST bands of the 90's, and one of the best bands ever/hottest tour of the summer.

Ok, I figured out Bad Brains and The Police but you haven't drunk the Kool-Aid to think that The Smashing Pumpkins were "one of the BEST bands of the 90's" were you!?!? For what "1979?" "Disarm?" Please! You've got to be kidding! I'll give them "Gish." That was a great album. But anything after that is a megalomaniac believing his own hype. Enough people told Billy Corgan he was a genius and "the spokesman of his generation" after Cobain that he actually believed it. How can you take him seriously after "Machina"…Zwan…the solo album….his book of poetry?!?!! What a pompous ass he is.

Plus, it's not even the original line-up! It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns. It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses." What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?

Nostalgia for "great" bands that you "missed" in the 1990's because you were too young or didn't realize how "legendary" they were is a very dangerous affliction. Don't waste your money or time. Nostalgia is evil.

Brian

brian wallace just redefined the word crotchety.

did billy corgan kill your dog when you were young?

Word!

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:

Originally posted by Cash is King:
Hahahaha.
It still features one of the GREATEST punk bands ever, one of the BEST bands of the 90's, and one of the best bands ever/hottest tour of the summer.

Ok, I figured out Bad Brains and The Police but you haven't drunk the Kool-Aid to think that The Smashing Pumpkins were "one of the BEST bands of the 90's" were you!?!? For what "1979?" "Disarm?" Please! You've got to be kidding! I'll give them "Gish." That was a great album. But anything after that is a megalomaniac believing his own hype. Enough people told Billy Corgan he was a genius and "the spokesman of his generation" after Cobain that he actually believed it. How can you take him seriously after "Machina"…Zwan…the solo album….his book of poetry?!?!! What a pompous ass he is.

Plus, it's not even the original line-up! It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns. It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses." What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?

Nostalgia for "great" bands that you "missed" in the 1990's because you were too young or didn't realize how "legendary" they were is a very dangerous affliction. Don't waste your money or time. Nostalgia is evil.

Brian

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Plus, it's not even the original line-up! It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns. It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses." What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?

my guess is if you look at who's in the new SP, it'd be more of a billy corgan solo tour part 2 than a zwan II.

h'ok, see you on day 2 >.>

Smashing Pumpkins were unquestionably one of the great bands of the early-90's. If they quit in '94 they'd be much poorer, but they'd remain revered by many.

"I was there" in Fall '91 when Gish was cooler than Nevermind, Ten and the other superstars of the era. Its hard to appreciate now, but the band and Billy Corgan had an aura - they were like a self-contained artistic commune separate from everyone else. Produced by Butch Vig (like Nirvana of course) but they were the band that remained independant - on Caroline Records - when everyone else was "selling out." They mixed the romanticism of shoegaze w/ the intensity of the grunge scene and the result was explosive.

They played the State Theatre in Detroit in Fall 91 on that great tour w/ RHCP and Pearl Jam. Everyone was stellar that night but SP stole the show. They were ferocious, yet romantic, and the crowd was completely out of control.

The following summer their song on the Singles soundtrack was fantastic. Every song on there was great - but SP felt like they were on a different plane.

Anticipation was huge for the Gish follow-up and they delivered. Then saw them in fall 93 in Detroit, w/ Swervedriver opening and they were at the peak of their powers. They slayed all.

And then they made a lot of money but lost the plot. Saw them in an arena on the MCATIS tour and it truly sucked. The wheels were off.

Now Corgan has an opportunity to redeem the legacy and reclaim past glory - but again he blew it. The key to the SP was the Yin/Yang b/w Corgan/Chamberlain and D'arcy/Iha. It was chemistry and created that romantic/ferocious mix. Without them involved this is not the Smashing Pumpkins anymore than the Pixies could exist without Kim Deal.

So once again, to harken back to the early 90's, I give Billy Corgan the gas face.

I sae the same tour, and they sucked. Laughably bad. Maybe it was an off night, or maybe it was because they were playing a hockey arena with bad sound.

Originally posted by Mobius:


They played the State Theatre in Detroit in Fall 91 on that great tour w/ RHCP and Pearl Jam. Everyone was stellar that night but SP stole the show. They were ferocious, yet romantic, and the crowd was completely out of control.

Originally posted by Mobius:
So once again, to harken back to the early 90's, I give Billy Corgan the gas face.

The gas face???!!!! HAHAHAHAHA That, my man, is THE post of the week.

"Black cats are bad luck/
Bad guys wear all black/
Must a been a white guy that started all that . . . "

Billy!!!! BILLY !!! Billy Corgan gets the GAS FACE!!!
:D

Originally posted by distance:

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Plus, it's not even the original line-up! It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns. It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses." What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?

my guess is if you look at who's in the new SP, it'd be more of a billy corgan solo tour part 2 than a zwan II.

I think my biggest frustration with this critique and expecation of the new version of the Pumpkins is that nobody takes into consideration INTENT, which is probably the most important factor in what the new band will sound like. It won't be a Zwan record or a Billy Corgan solo record - because it isn't intended to be. It is intended to be a Smashing Pumpkins album. That intent makes all the difference in the world.

Take other artists who have multiple projects or different bands - all of them will tell you that when they write songs, they automatically know where it is intended to go, whether it be a solo project or a side project or to their main efforts.

So I don't think the new Smashing Pumpkins record will sound a thing like Zwan. I don't think it'll sound a thing like the Future Embrace. I don't even think it'll sound like any other Smashing Pumpkins record. That's my favorite thing about the Pumpkins - no two records sound alike. And I like all of them for that fact - they're different. They have different sounds, different instrumentations, different emotions. Discard that as a runaway ego if you want. I'd rather embrace it as a band unafraid to reinvent itself from album to album.

So as a fan, I'm excited. And I'm looking forward to seeing the new lineup and hearing the new record, no matter who is in the band. Because ultimately, the Pumpkins was about Billy Corgan - for better or for worse.