K8teebug
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 01:02 PM UTC
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It would have been nice if you would have swept them for us Orioles fans. We took 2 out of 3 from the Braves for you guys!
DeathFromAbove1979
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 01:26 PM UTC
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hutch wrote:
Shemp wrote:
How about beating the Yankees. Once.
big bummer for sure… but the yankees are the yankees..
still, to have them come in to your house and take 3 of 3 is demoralizing…
i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
Even if the didn't they kept it close in most of the games, especially the 2nd game. It wasn't too deflating for me, but seeing almost everything the Nats hit end up in the Yanks gloves was super frustrating and stranding all those runners as well. I'd like to say we held our own, but we lost by multiple runs in each game. I don''t think this is the start of a downward spiral at all though, they've still won 7 of the last 10. Looking forward to see how they respond to that series against the Rays and O's.
skeeter
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 05:12 PM UTC
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They should have won that second game. I think it was Tyler Moore who was called out at home, while the replay showed he was safe. The game should have ended 4-3 after 9, rather than 3-5 after 14.
chaz
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 05:25 PM UTC
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At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
Look at the numbers for his career…he has a few good years, followed by a horrible year, followed by a few good ones and so on. We got him in an off year.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lidgebr01.shtml
chaz
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 05:32 PM UTC
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hutch wrote:
Bombay wrote:
They should have won that second game. I think it was Tyler Moore who was called out at home, while the replay showed he was safe. The game should have ended 4-3 after 9, rather than 3-5 after 14.
This is true..but the Yankees always seem to get those breaks.. I think its kind of like a boxing fight when you take on the Yankees.. they're the Champ and you're the challenger and the challenger always has to do just a bit more than fair..a bit extra to get the win..
Not sure my analogy works but I'm sticking to it… :)
I know yankees fans would agree. They are entitled to those wins, because they are the
YANKESS
James Ford
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 06:41 PM UTC
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ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
chaz wrote:
At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
chaz
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 07:24 PM UTC
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James wrote:
ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
chaz wrote:
At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
Bah. W/L numbers don't tell the story, not even close.
DeathFromAbove1979
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 08:14 PM UTC
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James wrote:
ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
chaz wrote:
At least Lidge is finally gone. How many games has that guy lost for the nats this year?
So Jordan Zimmerman has lost us 5 games? I know one is a starter and one is a closer, but if we're going by record here Zim has been effing screwed this year.
sweetcell
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 08:27 PM UTC
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James wrote:
ONE
2012: 0-1, 2 SV, 9.64 ERA,
9.64 ERA says it all, doesn't it?
beu-bye.
chaz
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 08:28 PM UTC
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this is a silly argument. Anyone who has watching has seen Lidge, multiple times. come in during tight games (whether with a lead or not) and get blown up, putting the game out of reach.
I'm glad Rizzo can make a decisive move when something is not working out.
Zimmerman always gets screwed when it comes to run support. Wins and losses don't always tell the whole story when it comes to pitching.
Starter's run support:
Stras - 6.9
Gio - 5.9
Zim - 4.9
Jackson - 4.3
Detweiler - 6.0
vansmack
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 09:00 PM UTC
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hutch wrote:
Lets call a spade a spade.
Ask Montreal how they feel about that.
vansmack
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 09:06 PM UTC
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hutch wrote:
i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
And that's the problem. People think you have to have a different mind set for when you play the Yankees. And you don't - they're a baseball team just like everybody else.
If you're good, you play your game regardless of opponent and you'll win. Those aren't my words either - that's Mike Scioscia's approach to the Yankees. I'm pretty sure he's the only active coach with a winning record against the Yankees (minimum 25 games).
vansmack
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 09:07 PM UTC
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sweetcell wrote:
9.64 ERA says it all, doesn't it?
I would add a .308 opponents batting average against too, but yeah, that should be enough.
vansmack
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM UTC
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The Angels have a 91-79 record, including playoff games, against the Yankees since 1996, and are 44-31 in the last 75 games between the teams.
The Angels also eliminated New York in two of the last three times they met in the playoffs.
You can talk all you want in subjective theories, I'll stick with the facts.
They're just another ball club to the Angels.
DeathFromAbove1979
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Re: BREAK UP THE F-ING NATIONALS
June 19, 2012 at 01:21 PM UTC
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hutch wrote:
vansmack wrote:
hutch wrote:
i love davey johnson but i can't help but wonder about whether he didn't have them ready for the YANKEES.
And that's the problem. People think you have to have a different mind set for when you play the Yankees. And you don't - they're a baseball team just like everybody else.
If you're good, you play your game regardless of opponent and you'll win. Those aren't my words either - that's Mike Scioscia's approach to the Yankees. I'm pretty sure he's the only active coach with a winning record against the Yankees (minimum 25 games).
I disagree. there is such a thing as the "mental game".. Mike can say what he wants but I'd like to see his demeanor and how he handles the club in the locker room. Its a great sound bite for sure but the fact is that the Yankees are the Yankees.. they are not just another team.. they have a history everyone is aware of… when they come to town the stands are packed and it goes on and on… people know they've won 1 out of 4 World Series.
At the highest levels of competitive sports the mental aspect is very important. To say "Oh the Yankees are the same as the Royals and we prepare the same" is a nice sound bite but thats about all it is .
This was a big series for the Nats with added pressure and they didn't respond..
I don't think the Nats didn't respond, they won game 2 if it wasn't for that blown call by the ump at home plate. Unfortunately the other 2 games they got down by multiple runs and just couldn't respond, the Yankees defense WAS incredible throughout the weekend, not to mention all of our fucking errors. It was a poor series on our part, but I don't think our next series will go the same.