For Walky

walkonby wrote:
what i am talking about has nothing to with immigration.  as long as people follow the rules on how they become a citizen of another country, i'm fine if they come here.  we need immigrants.  we always have and we always will.

i'm talking about people who know our borders are a joke and will expliot them to harm us.  we should have built a fifty foot wall with machine guns every five feet around this country . . . after nine eleven.  that is all.

who is exploiting us?

people talk of securing the border because of terrorism but I can't name and have never heard of one Latino terrorist… they come in and they work .. they take jobs working for people who largely exploit them!


And yet we have to hear about how they come in and have such a great time hanging out in emergency rooms for free!!!!!!! the horror!

I see Latinos in my neighborhood working as contractors, fixing peoples houses.. they work HARD.. I have no idea if they are here legally or illegally.. My guess is a few are here illegally.. so what?

People say: you should come in legally like my great great grandfather did.. well, yes.. I agree but times have changed.. back then you could come in legally.. these days your chances of coming in legally from a Latin American country if you don't have means or much of an education are miniscule .. back then anyone got on a boat and just showed up and that was it. I have family that came to this country over 100 years ago by this mechanism…

In any case, I support the Arizona law.. I agree people should enter the country legally..but I don't get bent out of shape if they don't.. who cares? people who come here illegally work hard, contribute, etc.  AND if there are no jobs they go back to where they came from (thats what is happening right now actually)

latino terrorists?

is that some new band you want seth to book?

i'm talking about anybody from anywhere in the world who can walk across our border for any reason and do anything they want, while people remain blind to them because they are too busy talking about immigration. 

walkonby wrote:
latino terrorists?

is that some new band you want to seth to book?

i'm talking about anybody from anywhere in the world who can walk across our border for any reason and do anything they want, while people remain blind to them because they are too busy talking about immigration. 

"Do anything they want"??

WHat do they "DO" exactly???

Go to the 930 to catch a show?

You sound like a Republican.. this idea that people are coming in through the borders to rampage and pillage us is just not founded in reality.

The reality is the United States does not want to secure the border and the reason is because it needs those Latinos… they take care of the kids, fix the homes, pick up the garbage and work in construction.. and they do it cheap and well and generally without benefits.

My dear, deluded MIL (who is no longer with us) was convinced that illegal immigrants weren't just in the country illegally, they had also come here to do illegal things.  Simple in her mind - get rid of immigrants, get rid of crime!  Easy peasy!

aww  ;D

hutch wrote:

walkonby wrote:
latino terrorists?

is that some new band you want to seth to book?

i'm talking about anybody from anywhere in the world who can walk across our border for any reason and do anything they want, while people remain blind to them because they are too busy talking about immigration. 

"Do anything they want"??

WHat do they "DO" exactly???

Go to the 930 to catch a show?

You sound like a Republican.. this idea that people are coming in through the borders to rampage and pillage us is just not founded in reality.

The reality is the United States does not want to secure the border and the reason is because it needs those Latinos… they take care of the kids, fix the homes, pick up the garbage and work in construction.. and they do it cheap and well and generally without benefits.

wow . . . stereotype much?

and you don't think someone could come across our border and blow something up.  you don't think that can happen?  people don't want to kill americans?  nine eleven never happened?  pearl harbor was just a movie?  you think that just because something like that has not happened yet, it never can.  we'll just let the borders be unsafe, because "only people who are probably republicans according to hutch" care about the safety of america?  who cares about protecting america . . . it's easier to turn this arguement about immigration and latino people.  hutch, go form your own thread if you want to continue going on about latino people.  or better yet . . . go move to latin america.   i hear they play latin music artists there all the time.

this reminds of the "home invasion" argument people make for owning guns.  the threat is out there!  be scared!  allow me to make society less safe by playing on your fears!  don't think, just do!  feel the fear, it's everywhere!

how many bombers have entered the US illegally?  hint: the 9/11 terrorists were here on student visas.  vs. the tens of thousands of actual illegal immigrants who keep us in fresh fruit and vegetables (among other important work that Americans aren't willing to do).

but what about empanadas?  do you like them, and should seth sell them?  do you like to say their name in just your underwear (god i hope so)?

hutch wrote:
Noticed that many people who get excited about it are haters if not racists though…that is my experience.

There are many haters in racists in any group of society.  Your point is nothing more than a poor and irrelevant ad hominem red herring.

The fact is that most folks who are upset about ILLEGAL anything are so because of just that, it is ILLEGAL.

I have no problem with sending someone out of our country who by their very first act of being here, show disrespect for our laws by being here ILLEGALLY.  If your first act in entering a country is to give the entire country a big hearty fuck you then they deserve to be brought to court, found guilty, sent to jail, then sent home when they are done with their time.  Those coming into this country illegally are one of several things that are driving this country into the shitter. 

RatBastard wrote:
I have no problem with sending someone out of our country who by their very first act of being here, show disrespect for our laws by being here ILLEGALLY.  If your first act in entering a country is to give the entire country a big hearty fuck you then they deserve to be brought to court, found guilty, sent to jail, then sent home when they are done with their time.  Those coming into this country illegally are one of several things that are driving this country into the shitter. 

I have no problem kicking illegal immigrants out.. The law is the law and it should be enforced.. this is why I support the Arizona law. but the idea that illegal immigrants are driving "this" country into the shitter is just not supported by any evidence.

How the hell is a Latino working for below minimum wage driving the country into the shitter?

I think a far better case could be made that illegal immigrants are the one thing keeping the country from the shitter. Can you imagine how much less competitive our economy would be without this source of low cost labor??

And that is why regardless of the posturing by Republican candidates you haven't and won't see any change. The United States needs illegal immigrants. Otherwise why make it so easy for them to come in?

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
I have no problem with sending someone out of our country who by their very first act of being here, show disrespect for our laws by being here ILLEGALLY.  If your first act in entering a country is to give the entire country a big hearty fuck you then they deserve to be brought to court, found guilty, sent to jail, then sent home when they are done with their time.  Those coming into this country illegally are one of several things that are driving this country into the shitter. 

I have no problem kicking illegal immigrants out.. The law is the law and it should be enforced.. this is why I support the Arizona law. but the idea that illegal immigrants are driving "this" country into the shitter is just not supported by any evidence.

How the hell is a Latino working for below minimum wage driving the country into the shitter?

I think a far better case could be made that illegal immigrants are the one thing keeping the country from the shitter. Can you imagine how much less competitive our economy would be without this source of low cost labor??

And that is why regardless of the posturing by Republican candidates you haven't and won't see any change. The United States needs illegal immigrants. Otherwise why make it so easy for them to come in?

By allowing a business to not hire a valid citizen and thus leaving one less job for an american who deserves it.

Your counter point is all but a joke.  First off the nationality of an illegal is 100% irrelevant.  But they take jobs form legal citizens.  Normally are paid under the table and thus do not pay taxes.  They spend little of their money back into the economy with most of it being sent home.  In other words they are a huge drain on the economy.

Not sure who's argument this supports at this point, but there WAS the story that Iran paid a Mexican Drug Cartel to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador… I imagine they would have come in the country illegally?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047939/US-foils-Iran-terror-plot-kill-Saudi-ambassador-Washington-D-C.html

it supports mine, big guy!!

and thanks for all you do in your job!

i love my new thread

and wml7 . . . i really love him.  a lot.  like a stalker.

in relation to the new batman trailer release . . .

this

is a trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1byZkbNB3Jw

RatBastard wrote:

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
I have no problem with sending someone out of our country who by their very first act of being here, show disrespect for our laws by being here ILLEGALLY.  If your first act in entering a country is to give the entire country a big hearty fuck you then they deserve to be brought to court, found guilty, sent to jail, then sent home when they are done with their time.  Those coming into this country illegally are one of several things that are driving this country into the shitter. 

I have no problem kicking illegal immigrants out.. The law is the law and it should be enforced.. this is why I support the Arizona law. but the idea that illegal immigrants are driving "this" country into the shitter is just not supported by any evidence.

How the hell is a Latino working for below minimum wage driving the country into the shitter?

I think a far better case could be made that illegal immigrants are the one thing keeping the country from the shitter. Can you imagine how much less competitive our economy would be without this source of low cost labor??

And that is why regardless of the posturing by Republican candidates you haven't and won't see any change. The United States needs illegal immigrants. Otherwise why make it so easy for them to come in?

By allowing a business to not hire a valid citizen and thus leaving one less job for an american who deserves it.

Your counter point is all but a joke.  First off the nationality of an illegal is 100% irrelevant.  But they take jobs form legal citizens.  Normally are paid under the table and thus do not pay taxes.  They spend little of their money back into the economy with most of it being sent home.  In other words they are a huge drain on the economy.

incorrect on so many levels…

1. A business has no desire to hire an illegal over an American citizen. In fact they'd rather hire the American for obvious reasons such as wanting to avoid breaking the law. Businesses don't want to break the law if they don't have to. Moreover, it sounds like your problem is with the business doing the hiring. If as you say Americans want these jobs there is nothing precluding them from getting them. Go stand outside the Home Depot or wherever, take jobs as nannies, become contractors or whatever.

2. They spend little of their money? How do you figure this? They aren't exactly making so much money they save very much. Do they send some money home? Of course. But most of their money is going to be spent in the US on the basic necessities.

You want to think illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy but the reality is they are a big plus which is why the United States lets them in. Someone has to do these jobs and Americans aren't going to do them at those wages. Its the same situation in Europe. Of course, the United States can't very well admit this.

There is a long tradition in tough economic times of scapegoating and blaming/kicking the ones below you.

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
I have no problem with sending someone out of our country who by their very first act of being here, show disrespect for our laws by being here ILLEGALLY.  If your first act in entering a country is to give the entire country a big hearty fuck you then they deserve to be brought to court, found guilty, sent to jail, then sent home when they are done with their time.  Those coming into this country illegally are one of several things that are driving this country into the shitter. 

I have no problem kicking illegal immigrants out.. The law is the law and it should be enforced.. this is why I support the Arizona law. but the idea that illegal immigrants are driving "this" country into the shitter is just not supported by any evidence.

How the hell is a Latino working for below minimum wage driving the country into the shitter?

I think a far better case could be made that illegal immigrants are the one thing keeping the country from the shitter. Can you imagine how much less competitive our economy would be without this source of low cost labor??

And that is why regardless of the posturing by Republican candidates you haven't and won't see any change. The United States needs illegal immigrants. Otherwise why make it so easy for them to come in?

By allowing a business to not hire a valid citizen and thus leaving one less job for an american who deserves it.

Your counter point is all but a joke.  First off the nationality of an illegal is 100% irrelevant.  But they take jobs form legal citizens.  Normally are paid under the table and thus do not pay taxes.  They spend little of their money back into the economy with most of it being sent home.  In other words they are a huge drain on the economy.

incorrect on so many levels…

1. A business has no desire to hire an illegal over an American citizen. In fact they'd rather hire the American for obvious reasons such as wanting to avoid breaking the law. Businesses don't want to break the law if they don't have to. Moreover, it sounds like your problem is with the business doing the hiring. If as you say Americans want these jobs there is nothing precluding them from getting them. Go stand outside the Home Depot or wherever, take jobs as nannies, become contractors or whatever.

2. They spend little of their money? How do you figure this? They aren't exactly making so much money they save very much. Do they send some money home? Of course. But most of their money is going to be spent in the US on the basic necessities.

You want to think illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy but the reality is they are a big plus which is why the United States lets them in. Someone has to do these jobs and Americans aren't going to do them at those wages. Its the same situation in Europe. Of course, the United States can't very well admit this.

There is a long tradition in tough economic times of scapegoating and blaming/kicking the ones below you.

If it makes you feel better to believe such nonsense then by all means feel free.  The fact that you really believe that 'Americans wont do these jobs' proves how absurd your thought processes are.  The truth is that Americans will take the jobs if business were forced to stop hiring illegals and stop paying them below minimum wage.  The bottom line is that they are ILLEGAL.  I am sorry if you and your bleeding heart left wing nut jobs think that those of us who are law abiding citizens should support and condone ILLEGAL aliens here, but anyone who is rational and sane would clearly see how much of a huge drain they are on our society.  Please stop trying to play when you are so obviously unprepared and misinformed.  I'm out.  Enjoy the rest of the discussion on your own.  No need for me to continue when you have such absurd thinking.

RatBastard wrote:

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
I have no problem with sending someone out of our country who by their very first act of being here, show disrespect for our laws by being here ILLEGALLY.  If your first act in entering a country is to give the entire country a big hearty fuck you then they deserve to be brought to court, found guilty, sent to jail, then sent home when they are done with their time.  Those coming into this country illegally are one of several things that are driving this country into the shitter. 

I have no problem kicking illegal immigrants out.. The law is the law and it should be enforced.. this is why I support the Arizona law. but the idea that illegal immigrants are driving "this" country into the shitter is just not supported by any evidence.

How the hell is a Latino working for below minimum wage driving the country into the shitter?

I think a far better case could be made that illegal immigrants are the one thing keeping the country from the shitter. Can you imagine how much less competitive our economy would be without this source of low cost labor??

And that is why regardless of the posturing by Republican candidates you haven't and won't see any change. The United States needs illegal immigrants. Otherwise why make it so easy for them to come in?

By allowing a business to not hire a valid citizen and thus leaving one less job for an american who deserves it.

Your counter point is all but a joke.  First off the nationality of an illegal is 100% irrelevant.  But they take jobs form legal citizens.  Normally are paid under the table and thus do not pay taxes.  They spend little of their money back into the economy with most of it being sent home.  In other words they are a huge drain on the economy.

incorrect on so many levels…

1. A business has no desire to hire an illegal over an American citizen. In fact they'd rather hire the American for obvious reasons such as wanting to avoid breaking the law. Businesses don't want to break the law if they don't have to. Moreover, it sounds like your problem is with the business doing the hiring. If as you say Americans want these jobs there is nothing precluding them from getting them. Go stand outside the Home Depot or wherever, take jobs as nannies, become contractors or whatever.

2. They spend little of their money? How do you figure this? They aren't exactly making so much money they save very much. Do they send some money home? Of course. But most of their money is going to be spent in the US on the basic necessities.

You want to think illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy but the reality is they are a big plus which is why the United States lets them in. Someone has to do these jobs and Americans aren't going to do them at those wages. Its the same situation in Europe. Of course, the United States can't very well admit this.

There is a long tradition in tough economic times of scapegoating and blaming/kicking the ones below you.

If it makes you feel better to believe such nonsense then by all means feel free.  The fact that you really believe that 'Americans wont do these jobs' proves how absurd your thought processes are.  The truth is that Americans will take the jobs if business were forced to stop hiring illegals and stop paying them below minimum wage.  The bottom line is that they are ILLEGAL.  I am sorry if you and your bleeding heart left wing nut jobs think that those of us who are law abiding citizens should support and condone ILLEGAL aliens here, but anyone who is rational and sane would clearly see how much of a huge drain they are on our society.  Please stop trying to play when you are so obviously unprepared and misinformed.  I'm out.  Enjoy the rest of the discussion on your own.  No need for me to continue when you have such absurd thinking.

I wrote that I don't condone it, support the Arizona law and think they should be sent back!

;D

I guess its not enough unless I say they are leeches sponging on our generosity all the while being responsible for all our troubles.

By the way Ratbastard, calling people names or insulting them or their thinking is not a discussion but more a sign that one doesn't really know what they're talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romneys-openly-gay-adviser-steps-down/2012/05/01/gIQAiA8zuT_blog.html

the best comment i read about this story was:  "so Romney is a wimp. can't defend a qualified gay that has worked for previous GOP administrations just because he doesn't want to offend some extreme bigots in his own party."

nice.