The Nats Thread

I'd be bummed to see JZimm leave DC. I've had fun watching that guy over the past couple of years since he returned from Tommy John.

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
im seeing zimmermann to the cubs talk starting to heat up

rizzo's moves tend to come out of nowhere so idk if this holds any water but the cubs have some middle infield prospects the nats could use. we'll see

Do the Nats need a prospect or a 2B that can play now?

I'll give you Howie Kendrick for JZimm right now!  Though I doubt the Halo's can take on JZimm's $16.5m salary for next season.

I call bullshit….If I traded him I'd have to get MAJOR stuff…prospects??? Are we high? I'd have to get a proven huge bat to even consider it… he's our ace and one of the best pitchers in baseball…

I don't think the Cubs have anything I want…

Maybe he's not agreeing to an extension the team feels is his correct value?

In that case, do you use him for one year and get a first round pick in return when he signs elsewhere, or do you improve the team with major league ready talent when his values the highest?

vansmack wrote:
Maybe he's not agreeing to an extension the team feels is his correct value?

In that case, do you use him for one year and get a first round pick in return when he signs elsewhere, or do you improve the team with major league ready talent when his values the highest?

I give him what he asks for..he's earned it. I'm not going to let my best pitcher go. I'd let Stras go ANY DAY before I let Jordan Zim go….

But if I were to let him go I'd take the first round pick…. not some "prospect"…

I feel teams are invariably wrong to give up their pitchers for very little in return.. a few teams this past year made some real head scratcher decisions…. Boston got Cespedes and somebody else and (I thought it made some sense for Boston is what I'm saying) we're only going to get a prospect???

i asked a chicago friend and he said the current round of rumors stemmed from a complete hack chicago journalist whos been at odds with cubs people for years.

so its unlikely, but rizzo  doesnt belong in the job if he wont at least listen to offers, and i imagine hell be getting plenty.

it is an interesting dilemma. i wouldnt support trading jordan for just prospects but prospects and a major league ready infielder? its a big gamble. 2015 isnt the end of the nats window but with jordan, desmond, fister, span, clippard all free agents after next year its probably the best shot theyre gonna have, so im inclined to think no major trade will happen this winter, but who knows. i certainly want zimmermann around longer but it would suck to lose him and only get a draft pick out of the deal.

of course that sting would be lessened by a 2015 world series trophy lead by zimmermann

JZim and Rendon are the heart AND guts of the team…..Why should the Nats not keep JZim? Is attendance poor??? Come on now…

when I first read this I thought we were talking about RZim….

yeah, I'd let HIM go.. his body is done….but JZim is a workhorse.. I think he's our Bumgarden (sic)..if only Matt Williams had rode him like Bochy rode his beast…

By the way I was there that game and JZim was lights out and Rendon got at least four hits…

WHEN IT COUNTED THEY SHOWED UP.

take it easy, im not saying they should get rid of him at all. i love watching him pitch and would send him out over strasburg any game 7. i hope he stays here next year and beyond, im just not optimistic about the beyond

just saying if there are offers, rizzo's got to at least listen. hes not doing his job if he doesnt.

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
take it easy, im not saying they should get rid of him at all. i love watching him pitch and would send him out over strasburg any game 7. i hope he stays here next year and beyond, im just not optimistic about the beyond

just saying if there are offers, rizzo's got to at least listen. hes not doing his job if he doesnt.

oh I know..its not you making my blood boil..just the idea of losing him…

I agree Rizzo should listen to offers…but it would have to be something really sweet otherwise I just keep him…

I have this paranoia about the Lerner's being stingy.. not sure its warranted…

JZimm is not represented by Boras, so there's a decent chance he'll sign an extension.

But I think it's dangerous to act like this is up to the Nats - it's ultimately the players decision.

vansmack wrote:
JZimm is not represented by Boras, so there's a decent chance he'll sign an extension.

But I think it's dangerous to act like this is up to the Nats - it's ultimately the players decision.

well if he no longer wants to play for the Nats don't let the door hit you on the way out…

but I would make him a top offer….he should not think "i can do better MONEYwise elsewhere.."

the lerners do seem unwilling to extend the nats payroll much beyond where its at

maybe thats due to the masn uncertainty, idk. arent they the richest owners in the league or something?

i dont want the nats to become the phillies in a few years but itd be a shame if their contention window closes cuz they wouldnt open the wallets a bit more.

i dont think jordan is being especially greedy, it just seems hes not offering the nats any sort of discount.

personally im kinda hesitant about these big money pitcher deals. you can reasonably predict when a hitters numbers will start to fall (not that thats stopping teams from overpaying) but pitchers can lose it at any moment.

hutch wrote:
when I first read this I thought we were talking about RZim….

yeah, I'd let HIM go.. his body is done….but JZim is a workhorse.. I think he's our Bumgarden (sic)..if only Matt Williams had rode him like Bochy rode his beast…

By the way I was there that game and JZim was lights out and Rendon got at least four hits…

WHEN IT COUNTED THEY SHOWED UP.

I was also there. Rendon seemed to be the only constant in that line-up during the playoffs. It was awesome but such a shame. He should get standing ovations when he comes to bat, not Harper. Rendon busted his ass this season.

Desmond supposedly turned down 7 years,  $107m deal last off season.

vansmack wrote:
Desmond supposedly turned down 7 years,  $107m deal last off season.

This is a heartfelt story with Desmond's own words on that deal. I'd like to believe him when he says what he says in this interview. Ian Desmond is by far my favorite Nationals player and this article pushes it over the edge. The guy is truly amazing and I believe he will stay with the Nats through his whole career. That's just me though.

If you have a couple minutes, this article is amazing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/ian-desmond-has-become-the-backbone-of-the-washington-nationals/2014/03/30/50a68986-b798-11e3-a7c6-70cf2db17781_story.html

rendon 5th in mvp voting

very nice

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
rendon 5th in mvp voting

very nice

Dang! Didn't think he'd make it that high.

Should the Nationals Trade Zimmerman?

I think you can't make the wrong decision.  If you get to the playoffs next season, keeping him is your best chance to win it all.  If you deal him, you have a better chance of succeeding in the long run.  The team is in pretty good shape either way.

I would try to move him this off season, but only do so with the right offer - something overwhelming.

The Jason Heyward deal show what a team should do if they can't sign an extension - two young arms under control. 

The trade is also good news for the Nats, as the Braves are going to be much worse next season.