Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:hahahahahah…messageboard posts from opposing fans as evidence. awesome
Short version: no non-Penguins fan said it was a good deal. OTOH, no one had a bad thing to say about Dallas or San Jose's big moves, just to put the tenor of the board in perspective.
For All You Caps Fans
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:It's anecdotal evidence of what the common opinion is. As I said, there's no groundswell of idiots saying Dallas or San Jose or Washington were stupid with their blockbuster trades yet overwhelmingly people think the Hossa trade either "didn't fill their need" or was a "massive overpayment on a rental." Why such a disparity? Does all of the NHL suffer from Pittsburgh Pen(i)s envy?
hahahahahah…messageboard posts from opposing fans as evidence. awesome
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:ESPN rated it the best trade with highest potential impact.
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:hahahahahah…messageboard posts from opposing fans as evidence. awesome
Short version: no non-Penguins fan said it was a good deal. OTOH, no one had a bad thing to say about Dallas or San Jose's big moves, just to put the tenor of the board in perspective.
Barry Melrose said they are now the best team in the East. I'll take the experts opinions over a bunch of fans who wish their team had done something/anything to improve.
Heard last night that Montreal had already printed up Hossa jerseys. Guess they can send those to Africa along with the 19-0 shirts.
i generally agree that the pens overpaid on a huge gamble, but who cares what ihaztehhabs22 or rangersrool91 think
pittsburgh papers like it too
pittsburgh papers like it too
Originally posted by i'm her slave:"Pittsburgh's taking a big chance… when they don't resign Hossa, it'll be a terrible deal, but Pittsburgh had some guts." - Barry Melrose, literally 30 seconds ago on Sportscenter.
Barry Melrose said they are now the best team in the East.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:Who cares what god's shoeshine or Julian, good manners AFICIONADO thinks?
i generally agree that the pens overpaid on a huge gamble, but who cares what ihaztehhabs22 or rangersrool91 think
If people on that site were trashing every big trade made by every team except their own, then I'd agree with you it's biased and not worthy of consideration, but just because someone's a Rangers fan doesn't mean they can't point out the obvious.
no, but i'd wager it means they dont watch the pens unless they are playing the rangers
and no, no one cares what either of us think
and no, no one cares what either of us think
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:In my experience, NHL fans are the most knowledgeable about their sport. Still, I respect your opinion about the merits of my corroborating evidence.
no, but i'd wager it means they dont watch the pens unless they are playing the rangers
who cares about all that hossa talk. im just glad to see the avs picked up forsberg again (who knows if he'll ever be as good as he once was), and also picked up foote once again. maybe they should just pick up drury from the rangers and take back the cup again! :)
wishful thinking since my kings dont have a chance in hell except for being the worst team this year :)
wishful thinking since my kings dont have a chance in hell except for being the worst team this year :)
Originally posted by xneverwherex:They should see if Roy wants back in. The Avs look amazing… if this was 1997. Signing Forsberg is throwing cash away at this point.
who cares about all that hossa talk. im just glad to see the avs picked up forsberg again (who knows if he'll ever be as good as he once was), and also picked up foote once again. maybe they should just pick up drury from the rangers and take back the cup again! :)
Amen:
Shero's bold moves were the right ones
Wednesday, February 27, 2008
By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08058/860692-194.stm
There will be people who insist Penguins general manager Ray Shero made a mistake in trading for free-agent-to-be Marian Hossa because it's just not smart hockey to deal for such a player unless a team is on the cusp of Stanley Cup championship contention.
Those people are missing the point.
The Penguins are on the cusp of playing for the greatest team trophy in all of sports.
That's why Shero made the trade. That's why he must be saluted today for having the courage to pull the trigger on a deal that brings to the Penguins exactly the kind of winger Sidney Crosby needs.
It would have been easy for Shero to stick to his master plan of patiently developing the Penguins' mother lode of wondrous talent and seek a championship further down the road. But he has been watching the same hockey we've all been watching of late, which means it's easy to see why he came to the conclusion this team was ready to win this year, not in 2009 or '10.
Shero has seen an injury-ravaged team play just about as well as any club in the Eastern Conference. He has seen it more than hold its own without Crosby. He had the foresight to realize that with Crosby and now with Hossa the Penguins have the potential not just to be good but to be great.
Who knows what the future might bring in terms of injury or defection. This year, the talent is here. The time to strike was now.
Yes, the price was steep. Just a few minutes before yesterday's 3 p.m. trading deadline, Shero sent two of the team's top nine forwards, Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen; last year's No. 1 draft choice, Angelo Esposito; and the team's first pick in the 2008 draft to the Atlanta Thrashers.
The price is steeper still because there is no guarantee Hossa will re-sign with the Penguins.
Still, the deal was a good one and potentially a great one. It's a deal people might be talking about for decades. It's a deal that can put the Penguins into the Stanley Cup final.
The Penguins aren't just a better team today than they were before 3 p.m. yesterday, they could well be the best team in the Eastern Conference.
In addition to Hossa, the Penguins acquired Pascal Dupuis, a small, speedy forward whose strength is on the penalty kill from the Thrashers. In another deal, Shero gave up second- and fifth-round draft choices to Toronto for 6-foot-7, 250-pound defenseman Hal Gill, who is as slow as he is big. Gill gives the Penguins a physical presence it lacked, but him being slow on his skates is not in sync with their style.
Those who might think Shero mortgaged the team's future for nothing more than a possible chance at glory this year need to rethink their premise. Armstrong and Christensen were complementary players. They can be replaced. Giving up first-round draft choices can be dangerous, but let's not forget that from 1996-2001 the Penguins' No. 1 picks were Craig Hillier, Robert Dome, Milan Kraft, Konstantin Koltsov, Brooks Orpik and Colby Armstrong.
As for chemistry concerns, and Armstrong, in particular, was important in that regard, nothing ramps up chemistry like winning.
Besides, how has a team mortgaged its future when it still has Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Staal, Kris Letang, Ryan Whitney, Marc-Andre Fleury, Ryan Malone and Sergei Gonchar?
"I still feel good about our future," Shero said. "I still feel good about the assets we have. Not many teams … not any team can sit there with a Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Letang, Whitney and Gonchar. We've got great assets here. I think we'll be a good team for a long period of time."
The key, of course, is Hossa, a gifted sniper who is almost certain to play alongside Crosby. Hossa had 26 goals and 30 assists in 60 games with Atlanta. He scored 43 goals last season and had 45 in 2002-03. His production only figures to increase playing beside the best playmaker in the league. Crosby, too, when he returns from injury, will prosper by playing with a veteran world-class goal-scorer like Hossa.
With Crosby and Hossa making up two-thirds of one line and the highly productive unit of Malkin, Malone and Petr Sykora another, the Penguins will present enormous defensive challenges to opponents.
Shero didn't speak at length about the possible signing of Hossa to a long-term contract. Considering how many younger players must be satisfied financially, it will be difficult to keep Hossa, who is earning $7 million this year and seeking a long-term deal at an annual salary of at least that much.
But that's for the future. It's the present that counts. And the acquisition of Hossa has made the Penguins' present one that is rich with promise.
It's a great day for hockey in Pittsburgh.
Shero's bold moves were the right ones
Wednesday, February 27, 2008
By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08058/860692-194.stm
There will be people who insist Penguins general manager Ray Shero made a mistake in trading for free-agent-to-be Marian Hossa because it's just not smart hockey to deal for such a player unless a team is on the cusp of Stanley Cup championship contention.
Those people are missing the point.
The Penguins are on the cusp of playing for the greatest team trophy in all of sports.
That's why Shero made the trade. That's why he must be saluted today for having the courage to pull the trigger on a deal that brings to the Penguins exactly the kind of winger Sidney Crosby needs.
It would have been easy for Shero to stick to his master plan of patiently developing the Penguins' mother lode of wondrous talent and seek a championship further down the road. But he has been watching the same hockey we've all been watching of late, which means it's easy to see why he came to the conclusion this team was ready to win this year, not in 2009 or '10.
Shero has seen an injury-ravaged team play just about as well as any club in the Eastern Conference. He has seen it more than hold its own without Crosby. He had the foresight to realize that with Crosby and now with Hossa the Penguins have the potential not just to be good but to be great.
Who knows what the future might bring in terms of injury or defection. This year, the talent is here. The time to strike was now.
Yes, the price was steep. Just a few minutes before yesterday's 3 p.m. trading deadline, Shero sent two of the team's top nine forwards, Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen; last year's No. 1 draft choice, Angelo Esposito; and the team's first pick in the 2008 draft to the Atlanta Thrashers.
The price is steeper still because there is no guarantee Hossa will re-sign with the Penguins.
Still, the deal was a good one and potentially a great one. It's a deal people might be talking about for decades. It's a deal that can put the Penguins into the Stanley Cup final.
The Penguins aren't just a better team today than they were before 3 p.m. yesterday, they could well be the best team in the Eastern Conference.
In addition to Hossa, the Penguins acquired Pascal Dupuis, a small, speedy forward whose strength is on the penalty kill from the Thrashers. In another deal, Shero gave up second- and fifth-round draft choices to Toronto for 6-foot-7, 250-pound defenseman Hal Gill, who is as slow as he is big. Gill gives the Penguins a physical presence it lacked, but him being slow on his skates is not in sync with their style.
Those who might think Shero mortgaged the team's future for nothing more than a possible chance at glory this year need to rethink their premise. Armstrong and Christensen were complementary players. They can be replaced. Giving up first-round draft choices can be dangerous, but let's not forget that from 1996-2001 the Penguins' No. 1 picks were Craig Hillier, Robert Dome, Milan Kraft, Konstantin Koltsov, Brooks Orpik and Colby Armstrong.
As for chemistry concerns, and Armstrong, in particular, was important in that regard, nothing ramps up chemistry like winning.
Besides, how has a team mortgaged its future when it still has Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Staal, Kris Letang, Ryan Whitney, Marc-Andre Fleury, Ryan Malone and Sergei Gonchar?
"I still feel good about our future," Shero said. "I still feel good about the assets we have. Not many teams … not any team can sit there with a Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Letang, Whitney and Gonchar. We've got great assets here. I think we'll be a good team for a long period of time."
The key, of course, is Hossa, a gifted sniper who is almost certain to play alongside Crosby. Hossa had 26 goals and 30 assists in 60 games with Atlanta. He scored 43 goals last season and had 45 in 2002-03. His production only figures to increase playing beside the best playmaker in the league. Crosby, too, when he returns from injury, will prosper by playing with a veteran world-class goal-scorer like Hossa.
With Crosby and Hossa making up two-thirds of one line and the highly productive unit of Malkin, Malone and Petr Sykora another, the Penguins will present enormous defensive challenges to opponents.
Shero didn't speak at length about the possible signing of Hossa to a long-term contract. Considering how many younger players must be satisfied financially, it will be difficult to keep Hossa, who is earning $7 million this year and seeking a long-term deal at an annual salary of at least that much.
But that's for the future. It's the present that counts. And the acquisition of Hossa has made the Penguins' present one that is rich with promise.
It's a great day for hockey in Pittsburgh.
Oh, well, if Bob Smizik disagrees with me, I must be wrong.
We get it – you're a fanboy. Enjoy Pittsburgh's wild ride to the second round of the playoffs where they'll quickly discover they have neither the defense nor goaltending to make a serious run.
We get it – you're a fanboy. Enjoy Pittsburgh's wild ride to the second round of the playoffs where they'll quickly discover they have neither the defense nor goaltending to make a serious run.
if smizik poasted that on hockybuzz.com as omgwingsrgr8 then it would be relevant
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:It's equally as relevant as any single post I referenced. It's but one opinion among thousands. The fact he/she posts it as though its a definitive affirmation of his fanboy-blinded world view is laughable.
if smizik poasted that on hockybuzz.com as omgwingsrgr8 then it would be relevant
My point is just because he works for a newspaper and wrote an article doesn't somehow make his opinion more credible then mine or anyone else's. In fact, his opinion acctually proves itself deficient since its in disagreement with my opinion, which also happens to be the 100% correct gospel truth.
I've always been of the school of thought that an opinion is only as valid as the evidence you have to back it up.
And since no one has any evidence as to the merits of this trade because the events haven't unfolded, every one is simply making a prediction.
And since no one has any evidence as to the merits of this trade because the events haven't unfolded, every one is simply making a prediction.
since you poasted that on a message board, smackie, i'll agree
if you wrote that in a newspaper after watching every prediction for 30 years, it would be an epic fail
if you wrote that in a newspaper after watching every prediction for 30 years, it would be an epic fail
Now we have some evidence….
Hossa out a week after injury in Pens Debut (a 5-1 loss to Boston)
Begin the debate.
Hossa out a week after injury in Pens Debut (a 5-1 loss to Boston)
Begin the debate.
All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
Originally posted by Shemp:That can certainly be changed.
All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
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Originally posted by Shemp:i've enjoyed the thread, it's just like going to a real caps game and having pens fans take over.
All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.