202(2)5 - dems in disarray thread
Sarcasm meter activated
To be clear… they were elected but never served
39-year-old Laughton was formerly a Democratic representative in New Hampshire, first elected to the legislature in 2012. He became known as the first openly transgender individual to hold public office in the United States, but withdrew before taking the role when it was revealed that he had served four months in prison in 2008 on a felony conviction for identity and credit card fraud and falsifying physical evidence.
But this will surely be used as … all Dems and all trans are actually pedos…so we should enact laws to restrict both trans and Dems
39-year-old Laughton was formerly a Democratic representative in New Hampshire, first elected to the legislature in 2012. He became known as the first openly transgender individual to hold public office in the United States, but withdrew before taking the role when it was revealed that he had served four months in prison in 2008 on a felony conviction for identity and credit card fraud and falsifying physical evidence.
But this will surely be used as … all Dems and all trans are actually pedos…so we should enact laws to restrict both trans and Dems
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To be clear… they were elected but never served.
39-year-old Laughton was formerly a Democratic representative in New Hampshire, first elected to the legislature in 2012. He became known as the first openly transgender individual to hold public office in the United States, but withdrew before taking the role when it was revealed that he had served four months in prison in 2008 on a felony conviction for identity and credit card fraud and falsifying physical evidence.
But this will surely be used as … all Dems and all trans are actually pedos…so we should enact laws to restrict both trans and Dems
To be clear, he was elected multiple times and did serve. Creepy people on both sides of the political divide.
After the sentence related to the 2008 conviction was exhausted, Laughton was allowed to run for office again in 2019. He was elected selectman in 2011, 2019, and 2021. He was also elected state representative in 2020.
Laughton won his most recent election in November of 2022, but he resigned less than one month after securing the seat following scrutiny for yet another criminal conviction. It was learned that just two months prior to his election, he had been charged with violating a stalking order that had been from an unidentified woman.
Not excited that the dem leadership is pushing election lawyer Marc Elias to the side
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/31/biden-marc-elias-democrats-election-lawsuits
I won’t deny he does go for headlines, but he has been very effective and really fights hard when it comes to voting cases
and we need more of that!
It’s the one front that Dems should never compromise on, election laws and how they are enforced is so critical.
So many elections are won on the margins and if it’s one thing the GOP has some mad skills in, it is figuring out exactly how to win on the margins. If there are more people/votes that want to elect GOP representatives… sobeit
But I’m convinced they are exerting minority control of the entire nation by winning elections on slim margins where they did just enough to suppress the vote
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/31/biden-marc-elias-democrats-election-lawsuits
I won’t deny he does go for headlines, but he has been very effective and really fights hard when it comes to voting cases
and we need more of that!
It’s the one front that Dems should never compromise on, election laws and how they are enforced is so critical.
So many elections are won on the margins and if it’s one thing the GOP has some mad skills in, it is figuring out exactly how to win on the margins. If there are more people/votes that want to elect GOP representatives… sobeit
But I’m convinced they are exerting minority control of the entire nation by winning elections on slim margins where they did just enough to suppress the vote
Ohio Republican effort to subvert democracy fails. Ohio Issue 1 defeated!
aspirational wrote:Its really telling as these solid red states vote on abortion and NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE. has banned it.
Ohio Republican effort to subvert democracy fails. Ohio Issue 1 defeated!
You’re so agreeable
Say it isn’t so Joe…
West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin says he is “thinking seriously” about leaving the Democratic Party and declaring himself an Independent before the 2024 election.
West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin says he is “thinking seriously” about leaving the Democratic Party and declaring himself an Independent before the 2024 election.
I never understood what the benefit of having him be in the party if he's constantly voting against the party line. Controlling the Senate doesn't mean much if he's voting against you.
Seriously? Manchin was the only reason we controlled the senate, the committees and could get appointees through… he might vote against some bills but he’s still important. There is no way it’s accurate to say he votes against all democratic bills, nominees etc
Do you know how our system of government works? I find progressives seriously delusional. It’s a living miracle that Manchin is senator from WVA.
Dude, it’s like when you were spouting Hillary and Trump are the same. You just don’t get it.
Do you know how our system of government works? I find progressives seriously delusional. It’s a living miracle that Manchin is senator from WVA.
Dude, it’s like when you were spouting Hillary and Trump are the same. You just don’t get it.
LOL I'm not sure I ever said HRC was the same as Trump. She's awful in her own special way, but I still held my nose and voted for her.
Controlling the senate is a good talking point, but if this one dipshit is able to get the Biden constantly rollover on his climate agenda* or can kill others, like the child tax credit, do you really control it?
And if his vote is so overwhelmingly for Biden's agenda, do you really think that change is his party affiliation does? Give me a break man.
Manchin sucks, and can go kick rocks. What he calls himself isn't going to change that for the better or the worse.
* I mean, we all know Biden is as much of a climate denier as the rest. Manchin's just a nice cover.
Controlling the senate is a good talking point, but if this one dipshit is able to get the Biden constantly rollover on his climate agenda* or can kill others, like the child tax credit, do you really control it?
And if his vote is so overwhelmingly for Biden's agenda, do you really think that change is his party affiliation does? Give me a break man.
Manchin sucks, and can go kick rocks. What he calls himself isn't going to change that for the better or the worse.
* I mean, we all know Biden is as much of a climate denier as the rest. Manchin's just a nice cover.
Hutch wrote:
Seriously? Manchin was the only reason we controlled the senate, the committees and could get appointees through… he might vote against some bills but he’s still important. There is no way it’s accurate to say he votes against all democratic bills, nominees etc
Do you know how our system of government works? I find progressives seriously delusional. It’s a living miracle that Manchin is senator from WVA.
Dude, it’s like when you were spouting Hillary and Trump are the same. You just don’t get it.
Yes you control it if you have a majority and in a tie the VP breaks it giving you the majority. Doesn’t mean senate passes every bill you like. Heck you could have 55 senators and bills you prefer might not get passed. Would you then say Democrats don’t control the senate?
You can’t seriously tell me you don’t realize that if Republicans had the majority in the senate things would be very different.
Essentially you are saying the Biden presidency is a failure because we can’t pass some legislation you favor. The idea government is just about passing bills - and in particular bills you like- is preposterous.
Dude I don’t think you want me to check the historical record on the inanities you said about Hillary.
You can’t seriously tell me you don’t realize that if Republicans had the majority in the senate things would be very different.
Essentially you are saying the Biden presidency is a failure because we can’t pass some legislation you favor. The idea government is just about passing bills - and in particular bills you like- is preposterous.
Dude I don’t think you want me to check the historical record on the inanities you said about Hillary.
I'm saying that, if you are the president and you can't bully your own party into towing the line, then no, you do not "control" the Senate.
Here's the difference, IMO: Ever "never Trump" republican that libs get a hard-on about voted with Trump 98% of the time. However they do it, Republicans stick to the script in a way Dems can't seem to do. Look at all the shit that got done under Trump vs. the amount of stuff that Biden has had to backtrack, or watch crumble because Manchin and Sinema decided not to vote for it, or because he didn't actually want to do the thing anyway ($15 minimum wage).
I don't know, I wouldn't call the amount of COVID deaths since 2021 or throwing 3 million children back into poverty after letting the child tax credit expire or approving more drilling permits than Trump or continuing Trump's horrific border policies or 60% of adults living paycheck to paycheck or throwing $75 billion to Ukraine overwhelming victories, but that's just me!
He did pull out of Afghanistan and reduced drone strikes, which are both good. And he's given more money to the climate (though not nearly enough, so does it matter?). He's better than Obama, I'd say.
I stand by everything I said. She's a loser and I wish I hadn't voted for her, but I did.
Hutch wrote:
Yes you control it if you have a majority and in a tie the VP breaks it giving you the majority. Doesn’t mean senate passes every bill you like. Heck you could have 55 senators and bills you prefer might not get passed. Would you then say Democrats don’t control the senate?
Here's the difference, IMO: Ever "never Trump" republican that libs get a hard-on about voted with Trump 98% of the time. However they do it, Republicans stick to the script in a way Dems can't seem to do. Look at all the shit that got done under Trump vs. the amount of stuff that Biden has had to backtrack, or watch crumble because Manchin and Sinema decided not to vote for it, or because he didn't actually want to do the thing anyway ($15 minimum wage).
Hutch wrote:
You can’t seriously tell me you don’t realize that if Republicans had the majority in the senate things would be very different.
I don't know, I wouldn't call the amount of COVID deaths since 2021 or throwing 3 million children back into poverty after letting the child tax credit expire or approving more drilling permits than Trump or continuing Trump's horrific border policies or 60% of adults living paycheck to paycheck or throwing $75 billion to Ukraine overwhelming victories, but that's just me!
He did pull out of Afghanistan and reduced drone strikes, which are both good. And he's given more money to the climate (though not nearly enough, so does it matter?). He's better than Obama, I'd say.
Hutch wrote:
Essentially you are saying the Biden presidency is a failure because we can’t pass some legislation you favor. The idea government is just about passing bills - and in particular bills you like- is preposterous.
I stand by everything I said. She's a loser and I wish I hadn't voted for her, but I did.
Hutch wrote:
Dude I don’t think you want me to check the historical record on the inanities you said about Hillary.
nkotb wrote:God, you're a child. Because he votes with the Dems 95% of the time!
I never understood what the benefit of having him be in the party if he's constantly voting against the party line. Controlling the Senate doesn't mean much if he's voting against you.
There is not one other person on earth who wins that senate seat in this day and age and votes with the Dems more than 30% of the time. Sorry he doesn’t vote for stupid horseass shit like ending the filibuster and naming fifty new Supreme Court justices. It’s him or a solid red seat.
Fucking Bernie Bro idiots, I swear.
I know you guys arent this stupid.
Sure he votes with Democrats. But he also constantly threatens to withhold his vote until the bill is Republican-lite. That is voting against the stated party platform.
He has actively tanked good polices under Biden. Thats a fact! This isn't a hard concept.
Heres the real question. Is Manchin going suddenly vote differently as an independent? Then who fucking cares which party he affiliates himself with! Like everything nothing will actually change but you yahoos will get all riled up about it.
Sure he votes with Democrats. But he also constantly threatens to withhold his vote until the bill is Republican-lite. That is voting against the stated party platform.
He has actively tanked good polices under Biden. Thats a fact! This isn't a hard concept.
Heres the real question. Is Manchin going suddenly vote differently as an independent? Then who fucking cares which party he affiliates himself with! Like everything nothing will actually change but you yahoos will get all riled up about it.
I think its actually like 88% so by Prices Rights rules, you lose
Julian, wrote:
God, you're a child. Because he votes with the Dems 95% of the time
nkotb wrote:Ok: what percentage of the time does this happen? You’re saying constantly; I’m saying 15% of the time. (Be sure to tell me who is the realistic Victor in WV that votes at a higher percentage with the Dems too since the comparison is not Manchin vs AOC, it’s Manchin vs the next best reasonable candidate who can steal a Senate seat in the reddest state in the country!)
But he also constantly threatens to withhold his vote until the bill is Republican-lite.
Come with the receipts, Star Wars boy. Let’s see who shot first.