202(2)5 - dems in disarray thread

kosmo wrote:
This just in Biden signs an executive order

“Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services”

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1545363309469343744?s=20&t=Qv8b1keTeVM9f6ByNQ-kBA

Just skimming the highlights this looks comprehensive…

And that’s great but it should have been done the same day the Supreme Court ruled.

It’s all so lackadaisical. Like the Biden ruling on student loans! Seriously just do what you want and move on. Instead they been kicking the decision down the road as far as they can. There is no urgency. Say what you want about Trump but every day he was coming out with bold moves (I disagreed with all of them). What is Biden waiting for?

Starsky wrote:

kosmo wrote:
This just in Biden signs an executive order

“Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services”

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1545363309469343744?s=20&t=Qv8b1keTeVM9f6ByNQ-kBA

Just skimming the highlights this looks comprehensive…

And that’s great but it should have been done the same day the Supreme Court ruled.

It’s all so lackadaisical. Like the Biden ruling on student loans! Seriously just do what you want and move on. Instead they been kicking the decision down the road as far as they can. There is no urgency. Say what you want about Trump but every day he was coming out with bold moves (I disagreed with all of them). What is Biden waiting for?

Seriously the BOLD moves were all designed to appease the White Supremists and did little more than further  divide this country.  Name one bold action that actual made a difference as they all got wiped away by Biden on day one.  45** only serious legislative accomplishment was lower the taxes on the wealth.  He was all talk on any of the important issues.

and the whole student loan forgiveness thing is a rapidly growing tiresome "progressive" caucus cause, that was a bright shiny object for a couple months…

I for one am very glad we aren't coping with another daily scandal coming out of the whitehouse, now it's just a bunch of whiny progressives…

kosmo wrote:
and the whole student loan forgiveness thing is a rapidly growing tiresome "progressive" caucus cause, that was a bright shiny object for a couple months…

They really need to drop this narrative and feel OK on what they have already done

it's such a loser issue, in that 2/3rd of American's don't go to college and are not going to get this loan forgiveness
but are probably dealing with their own crushing debt

we can't keep giving the R's such good stuff to get independents with

I wrote:
it's such a loser issue, in that 2/3rd of American's don't go to college and are not going to get this loan forgiveness
but are probably dealing with their own crushing debt

I'm all for student loan forgiveness – full disclosure: I neither have nor have ever had any student loan debt, so lets get my biases out in the open right up front – and think the arguments against it are mostly ass. That said, it's a classic example of a "right thing to do" where its just so unpopular and poorly messaged that it just absolutely gives the other side a field day.

If you're a person who didn't go to college because you couldn't afford it and didn't want to saddle your family with debt, you SHOULD still be on board with debt forgiveness, but the reality is NO ONE WHO FALLS INTO THAT BUCKET WILL BE. Its such a loser idea – it costs us votes. It further fuels the narrative that poor, rural Trump whites who have real economic discomfort get nothing from a Dem agenda on wiping out upper-middle-class people's kids debts and tells them how privileged they are to be white and poor instead of black and poor.

Ok great but make a decision and do it

I really don’t care what

Why you need 18 months to do something?

Starsky wrote:
Ok great but make a decision and do it

I really don’t care what

Why you need 18 months to do something?

Yeah, this is correct as well. Do it or don't, announce it, and say you're done. Don't let a one-day story become a one-week story, as they say. Or in this case an 18-month one. Like you are able to shut off the oxygen around this topic prettay, prettay, prettay effectively if you're Joe Biden (aside from insular progressive social media spheres that were never going to stop talking about this until Harvard is burnt to the ground and all colleges are free and spots are selected by random lottery).

beating this already dead horse but

The U.S. Department of Education canceled about $5.8 billion in outstanding student loans for more than 560,000 borrowers in the largest single loan forgiveness action taken by the government to date

This was for students of Corinthian College a for profit outfit that ensnared lots of lower income students in massive debt, etc.  and didn't delivery on their promises…

So quite frankly Student Loan forgiveness should be targeted and not across the board…

kosmo wrote: Corinthian College

yeah this was a good one
corrupt for profit school screwed a lot of people trying to get into the trades
the Dems should trumpet this one as it's helping 'non-college' types

I guess my question is, did the owners of this company have to chip in for this forgiveness?
seems like they were the negligent ones, not the gov't

I wrote:
I guess my question is, did the owners of this company have to chip in for this forgiveness?
seems like they were the negligent ones, not the gov't

Haha, no.  They were fined $30m by the Dept of Ed, weren't able to pay because they were already under water, and promptly closed down filing Chapter 11.  They were bought in the Chapter 11 by several regional groups.

vansmack wrote:
Haha, no. 

It was kind of rhetorical, I assumed what you said is pretty much what happened
Sad because the tax payers footed the bill here, I think that those associated with should have done some jail time

because they don't have enough external problems:

Pro-Bernie Sanders group launches campaign urging Biden not to run for reelection

I'd admittedly did do enough research into some of the Dem primary candidates, partly because there were far to many of them running for governor.. not even sure who the "progressive" is in that race…

if Tom Perez wins that one, it will be none stop progressive whinging and whining, because he did their Bernie the dirty..

what I do know based on the number for fliers that arrived in the mail, there is a group that really doesn't like Donna Edwards being in Congress, we just got her due to re-districting instead of Steny…

also, i think it's cute that progressives think they can primary Steny in his race…

lastly the mayor of Greenbelt who made a minor splash in progressive circles for that press conference appearance with Hogan, is no longer running against Van Hollen.. 

This is a really bad tweet…not sure who came up with the concept of inflation being out of date but whoever it is should lose their job

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1547229442052874242?s=20&t=gC0EfhIXOM7tZ0AZByco6Q

Starsky wrote:
This is a really bad tweet…not sure who came up with the concept of inflation being out of date but whoever it is should lose their job

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1547229442052874242?s=20&t=gC0EfhIXOM7tZ0AZByco6Q

it's not inflation that's out of date per that tweet - it's the numbers, as in it's old data.  the tweet wants us to believe that things are actually better than we think they are, we just need more recent data to prove it.

Yeah I got that


Suuuuure

Good luck with that Joe, you going to need it!!

that was a hard tweet to follow…he should have just said
In the past 30 days, the average price of gas has dropped by 40 cents a gallon.


So do you think he's going to do something with this Middle east visit that will have an impact at the pump

Getting gas prices to drop in mid October would do wonders for 2022 dem candidates

I hope not! I would rather stab myself with an ice pick than go beg MBS and the Saudis for anything

Just a terrible move by Joe. After what we have done for the House of Saud their attitude incenses. Fuck them.

I would rather invade Venezuela, get rid of Maduro and take over their oil. A good war always rallies the people.

Starsky wrote:
I would rather invade Venezuela, get rid of Maduro and take over their oil. A good war always rallies the people.

now you are thinking!

look at biden delivering on a trump promise to get Mexico to pay for it

President Biden has negotiated with Mexico to pay $1.5b toward U.S. southern border security and infrastructure.

Fetterman said he was going to shitpost his way to victory and well he just topped hiring the plane to troll Dr. Oz at the jersey shore

Cue Snooki

https://twitter.com/johnfetterman/status/1547683652791717891?s=21&t=u0e69lR5ZPDwFEy6yp9Wvw