HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07

Callat703 should probably consult his doctor about that hard-on he's been sportin' for the last four days.

Originally posted by callat703:
Jesus.

For one, the only statement you just quoted that could be interpreted as a factual statement is the one about the free release. And I think you're absolutely wrong to say the Pumpkins were as big or bigger when they released MACHINA II. The Pumpkins are my favorite band of all time, and you're wrong if you believe they were bigger in 2000 than Radiohead is now. Plain and simple. You can't argue that moving more albums is indicative of being "bigger" comparing sales in the '90s to today. It isn't a relevant gauge anymore. You want to debate that, fine - I'll get back to you on it when I have the time to look at numbers. I don't right now.

And I would "contend" that Radiohead is the biggest band in the world. There is no "factual" way of determining that. Hence "contend," which would imply that there is contention, which would imply that there are multiple ways of defining or determining "the biggest." There is no factual, correct answer to the question, "Who is the biggest band in the world?" I also went on to say that I think U2 would be the other band in the discussion. Look at the thread:

"Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.

But you're absolutely right - I think U2 is the only other band you can include in that discussion. Bruce & The E Street are more about Bruce than they are the "band.""


I never said "Radiohead outsells U2," which would be how one phrases a fact. I went on to say you were right. And you're right - "I think" and "in my opinion" are strong clarifications. That's why I've used them in almost every post I've made on this subject.

And finally, I'm fed up. You have the nerve to say something like:

"But it's like, again by way of your wording, you believe a lotta this shit you type to be gospel truth. One or two woulda been bearable, but you just kept going. Nothing personal at all, it's just I want you to have correct information combined with the fact you take fanboy to a whole 'nother realm."

Fuck off. You're twisting what I've written in two minute breaks at work to indict my level of knowledge of or attention to the music industry? And then claiming some holier than thou "distributor of reality?" Get over yourself. You a) don't have a clue what I know and what I don't, because this is a distraction for me, rather than something I'm going to spend a half an hour researching and writing up for some wanker like you to tear apart, and b) don't have any more credibility than I do. You're a name on a message board. You've seen a lot of shows and you dig the Police. You think I know a damn thing about what you know and what you don't when it comes to music?

Maybe the point here is that I don't take myself NEARLY as seriously as you do. Calm the fuck down and back the fuck off.

Your politeness just went out the window. I'm shocked. F-bombs??? You're giving me the Walalce treatment now. NOW who takes themselves seriously?? It IS just a board right? If I had low self-esteem issues & weren't so holier than thou, I'd actually be offended. :D

Originally posted by Mobius:
When Smashing Pumpkins released Machina II on the internet, it was the equivalent of a straight-to-DVD movie release. The band was dead. Credibility w/ fans rapidly deteriorated from '96 on and was non-existant by 2000. Machina I tanked and I think they had trouble finding a label to release Machina II.

Now let's talk about how Kanye went from the future to tedius in 3 easy steps. He was a breath of fresh air and now he's no different from 50 - like the Times Square of hip-hop; hip-hop for tourists.

Your assessments are quite on point. I was speaking more on a whole, as opposed to late 90s. But Machina II was a little more widely bootlegged than you think, & original copies (there aren't many) go for nice coin. Otherwise, on point.

Far as 'Ye, his production is still genius level. It's also still a breath of fresh air from all these ringtone rappers. He speaks on some good shit the average person can relate with. "Big Brother" was some real shit far as the new album. I think it's not accurate he gets labeled as a "conscious" rapper. He's about as materialistic as the next rapper, but he's stepped his rhyme game up leaps & bounds from "College Dropout". Overall, that whole him vs. 50 thing was great for hip-hop. Don't forget what he did for Common on the Be & Finding Forever albums. He's doing a lot for hip-hop. Lord knows us hip-hop heads need it. I think Common's new joint is better than Graduation, but that's just my "holier than thou" opinion. :D

Originally posted by manimtired:
HA! HA! HA! :D

Tell Andy, Sting, & Stewart I said what up! Hahahahahaha.

Never had a chance to see 'em . . . ;)

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Callat703 should probably consult his doctor about that hard-on he's been sportin' for the last four days.

Hope everthing's in it's right place . . .

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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
But Machina II was a little more widely bootlegged than you think, &amp; original copies (there aren't many) go for nice coin. Otherwise, on point.

There are 20, I believe. Vinyl only.

The other substantial difference of note was that the Pumpkins did NOT release the album online. They gave fan sites, radio stations, and friends of the band (including the Metro, which still has the album available for download on their website) vinyl editions of the record and told them to distribute them as they saw fit. Obviously this meant digitally, but the band itself did not release the album via the web.

Originally posted by callat703:

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
But Machina II was a little more widely bootlegged than you think, &amp; original copies (there aren't many) go for nice coin. Otherwise, on point.

There are 20, I believe. Vinyl only.

25 acetates were made.

cd stuff is probably the q101 versions which were given away by the radio station.

I'm not even going to attempt to read the 2-3 pages of this thread that've popped-up since I've been gone. But suffice to say, it's mere continuation only proves you all need to get ahold of your lives.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I'm not even going to attempt to read the 2-3 pages of this thread that've popped-up since I've been gone. But suffice to say, it's mere continuation only proves you all need to get ahold of your lives.

dude, when i left wednesday morning for ohio, it was on page 2. when i got back there were 8. i'm not fucking reading any of it.

Originally posted by distance:
when i left wednesday morning for ohio,

Oh yeah? Whaddya go to Ohio for?

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by distance:
when i left wednesday morning for ohio,

Oh yeah? Whaddya go to Ohio for?

explosions in the sky.

Originally posted by TheDirector217:


Nah, but I'm fucking with you, man. I made it a point to commend you on your politeness earlier. Normally I wouldn't dignify shit like this with a response, cause opinions outside my "circle" mean less than nothing to me. I think you're a polite guy, so I'll say I think you mistook my sarcasm/confidence for me trying to roast you. Not at all. Plus how can you get mad at a post with The Count? I thought everyone loved Muppets?! Oh, well . . . Just the holier than thou in me, I assume.

Just make sure you &amp; sonick save me a spot in line at the next Radiohead show. :D

Having meet the Director while reading this post I heard his voice inside my head… True Story :p

Originally posted by kosmo:

Originally posted by TheDirector217:


Nah, but I'm fucking with you, man. I made it a point to commend you on your politeness earlier. Normally I wouldn't dignify shit like this with a response, cause opinions outside my "circle" mean less than nothing to me. I think you're a polite guy, so I'll say I think you mistook my sarcasm/confidence for me trying to roast you. Not at all. Plus how can you get mad at a post with The Count? I thought everyone loved Muppets?! Oh, well . . . Just the holier than thou in me, I assume.

Just make sure you &amp; sonick save me a spot in line at the next Radiohead show. :D

Having meet the Director while reading this post I heard his voice inside my head… True Story :p

So . . . we all agree then - it's a pretty good album, the best of it is brilliant, the worst of it is ok.

We also agree that there are a bunch of audio snob bose speaker masturbaters out there who sit in a bar and condemn the music that they are being forced to listen to for being only 128 kbps or whatever the fuck . . .

I may be missing some details here, but I think this summary may be helpful as this thread has now become so painful that it needs to be wrapped up. . . .

fyi
bose speakers = nickleback

and i dont understand why a band would spend months in a studio crafting an album only to release in primarily a compressed format… perhaps they been spending to much listening to their ipods

Originally posted by TheDirector217:

Just make sure you &amp; sonick save me a spot in line at the next Radiohead show. :D

hey leave me out of this. because while you've been acting like a pompous asshole the last 2 pages, i have not been even posting on this thread.

i met you once, and you seemed cool. but you're a real fucking dickhead on here.

you kiss some ppls asses relentlessly (ggw, vansmack) and then to others you are like "ha, i am callin you out, and disproving your facts" like some kind of internet dectective or something.

and then you're like "oh NAH, i'm just joking around" very diplomatic, yet quite not-believable. and sorta lame.

Originally posted by kosmo:
fyi
bose speakers = nickleback

and i dont understand why a band would spend months in a studio crafting an album only to release in primarily a compressed format… perhaps they been spending to much listening to their ipods

here you go , kosmo:

from ateaseweb.bom

Jonny Greenwood talked to Rolling Stone about the upcoming performance in New York of his Superhet Popcorn Receiver. The magazine also asked him about â??In Rainbowsâ??.

Why did you choose to release the album this way?
Partly just to get it out quickly, so everyone would hear it at the same time, and partly because it was an experiment that felt worth trying, really.

Why the variable pricing?
Itâ??s fun to make people stop for a few seconds and think about what music is worth, and thatâ??s just an interesting question to ask people.


How would you respond to complaints about the sound quality â?? that 160 isnâ??t a high enough bitrate?
I donâ??t know, we talked about it and we just wanted to make it a bit better than iTunes, which it is, so thatâ??s kind of good enough, really. Itâ??s never going to be CD quality, because thatâ??s what CD does.


What goals did you have for the album itself?
I suppose we wanted to get back slightly to Kid A in that we were spending longer experimenting and trying stuff out â?? it wasnâ??t so much of a performance-based thing, like Hail to the Thief. Other than that, itâ??s the usual thing of turning up with these songs and the pressure is, â??Donâ??t fuck it up, donâ??t record them badly, donâ??t do bad arrangements of them, and do them justice.â? So thatâ??s what weâ??ve done.


What are your touring plans?
Thatâ??s exactly what we finally started talking about. Now that the albumâ??s out, we can get together exactly how and where weâ??re going to tour.

how lame is slightly better than itunes how about equal to emusic where one can get yorke`s solo effort in superior 192 lame vbr

the concepts cool just lacking in execution

Originally posted by kosmo:
how lame is slightly better than itunes how about equal to emusic where one can get yorke`s solo effort in superior 192 lame vbr

the concepts cool just lacking in execution

yeah, i dont quite understand all their is to that sort of stuff. would it be extra cost in making them a higher bitrate?
i realize the files would be larger but digitally, dont see how it would necessarily cost more. but that must be part of it.

perhaps because they are allowing ppl to pay what they want, they dont want to offer it at such a larger (and i guess more expensive) bitrate.

but with some of their audiophile fans, seems like they could offer it at 192 or higher, for a higher perhaps fixed price.

i dont know enough to really speculate. and i am half fuckin' deaf so the 160kbps is ok for me, for now!

I don't think anyone here actually even complained about the bitrate. I just speculated that people would.

And that Bose comment really shows what you know about quality audio……

No highs, no lows, must be Bose.

As promised:

Last.fm Charts, week of October 7 - October 14

1. Radiohead - 118,836 listeners - 3,308,175 plays
2. The Beatles - 73,373 listeners - 844,600 plays
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers - 64,502 listeners - 498,031 plays

And the top ten tracks of the week are the ten tracks from In Rainbows. Coincidentally, I believe the track order also corresponds to their ranking in the top ten.

Originally posted by le sonick:
you kiss some ppls asses relentlessly (ggw, vansmack)

Well, in my defense, I feel I've earned it.

Originally posted by callat703:
As promised:

Last.fm Charts, week of October 7 - October 14

1. Radiohead - 118,836 listeners - 3,308,175 plays
2. The Beatles - 73,373 listeners - 844,600 plays
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers - 64,502 listeners - 498,031 plays

And as promised (and predicted):

Vansmack's Top Artists this Week (but closer than I thought)
7 Oct 2007 â?? 14 Oct 2007

1 Radiohead 47
2 Peter Bjorn and John 45