HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07

Originally posted by le sonick:
do you think more aspiring musicians are trying to emulate Thom Yorke or Bono?

That doesn't mean they're bigger. Perhaps more influential (again, a plausible separate argument), but not bigger.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by manimtired:
then i suppose you dont consider CBS a reputable news source either?

CBS ran with one bad story, and when they found out, ran massive retractions and de facto fired their host. When Drudge runs an intentional smear story he never prints any retraction whatsoever, nor does he step down from his blogo-empire. Prove my hypothesis: have you ever voted for a non-republican?

Yep. I've never voted for a Republican.

Originally posted by le sonick:
but i think album sales and concert sales arent the end of the story.

Yeah, heavens forbid an argument on what musician is the "biggest in the world" be based on any quantifiable, verifiable facts.

You're right, it's best to go with gut feelings like "who feels like the biggest band" or "who do you think kids most want to emulate?" This is about on par with how Georgie W. took us into Iraq.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by manimtired:
then i suppose you dont consider CBS a reputable news source either?

CBS ran with one bad story, and when they found out, ran massive retractions and de facto fired their host. When Drudge runs an intentional smear story he never prints any retraction whatsoever, nor does he step down from his blogo-empire. Prove my hypothesis: have you ever voted for a non-republican?

i worked at the CBS News Washington bureau for 7 years when this was taking place. there was great protest to the firing of mr. rather and only due to conservative pressure stepped down..dan still goes by the fact that the docs arent fake by the way. have you ever voted for a non-democrat?

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by le sonick:
do you think more aspiring musicians are trying to emulate Thom Yorke or Bono?

That doesn't mean they're bigger. Perhaps more influential (again, a plausible separate argument), but not bigger.

well, thats what i am saying, i think "bigger" has more to do with album sales, commercials, merchandising sales or concert ticket sales.


but to be honest using "big" to describe a band isnt something i would ever really do.

Radiohead, to me, is the Velvet underground of our time.

Now, obviously VU was never as big as Radiohead while alive (or ever) but that cant happen in todays age, no secret is kept for long anymore.

i wrote a paper on it, 6 pages actually, and no, i cant post it cause its on an old computer that i may never be able to start again.

but to sum it up

Music = art

all artists embraced the VU, as they do Radiohead.

Radiohead = art for the artistic.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by le sonick:
do you think more aspiring musicians are trying to emulate Thom Yorke or Bono?

That doesn't mean they're bigger. Perhaps more influential (again, a plausible separate argument), but not bigger.

Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.

But you're absolutely right - I think U2 is the only other band you can include in that discussion. Bruce & The E Street are more about Bruce than they are the "band."

Originally posted by manimtired:
dan still goes by the fact that the docs arent fact by the way.

I don't understand this sentence.

Originally posted by manimtired:
have you ever voted for a non-democrat?

Never on the national level, but yes within the state/local sphere.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by manimtired:
dan still goes by the fact that the docs arent fact by the way.

I don't understand this sentence.

Originally posted by manimtired:
have you ever voted for a non-democrat?

Never on the national level, but yes within the state/local sphere.

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Originally posted by callat703:
Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.

Extremely doubtful. In the US, I don't think they could equal Dave Matthews Band. When Radiohead plays amphitheaters, correct me if I'm wrong, but the lawns don't usually sell out, right?

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by callat703:
Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.

Extremely doubtful. In the US, I don't think they could equal Dave Matthews Band. When Radiohead plays amphitheaters, correct me if I'm wrong, but the lawns don't usually sell out, right?

The last time this happened was almost what, six or seven years ago?

And my understanding is that Radiohead sells out anything they play in the States at this point. Hence why their headlining roles at Coachella and Bonnaroo were such big deals.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by callat703:
Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.

Extremely doubtful. In the US, I don't think they could equal Dave Matthews Band. When Radiohead plays amphitheaters, correct me if I'm wrong, but the lawns don't usually sell out, right?

U2 aint playin Stadiums anymore either, though.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Extremely doubtful. In the US, I don't think they could equal Dave Matthews Band. When Radiohead plays amphitheaters, correct me if I'm wrong, but the lawns don't usually sell out, right?

Bull Run sold out, didn't it?

Originally posted by manimtired:
its been edited.

Well then, Rather's an idiot. On of the advantages of getting your news from a respectable source that has some infrastructure is when someone acts like an idiot and their ego/politics cloud their views, they're usually fired/step down/removed as Rather was. Drudge, in his infinite megalomania, has no such checks and balances within the blogosphere so he's never held accountable for his numerous absurd "stories."

Originally posted by le sonick:
U2 aint playin Stadiums anymore either, though.

By choice.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by manimtired:
its been edited.

Well then, Rather's an idiot. On of the advantages of getting your news from a respectable source that has some infrastructure is when someone acts like an idiot and their ego/politics cloud their views, they're usually fired/step down/removed as Rather was. Drudge, in his infinite megalomania, has no such checks and balances within the blogosphere so he's never held accountable for his numerous absurd "stories."

Isn't it important to note that Drudge ALMOST NEVER writes content? I'd say 99% of what appears on his site is just a collection of other stories.

Julian, did you ignore my voting record because it disproves your hypothesis?

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by manimtired:
its been edited.

Well then, Rather's an idiot. On of the advantages of getting your news from a respectable source that has some infrastructure is when someone acts like an idiot and their ego/politics cloud their views, they're usually fired/step down/removed as Rather was. Drudge, in his infinite megalomania, has no such checks and balances within the blogosphere so he's never held accountable for his numerous absurd "stories."

agreed..but i'm sure there are no other heavily traveled politcal sites that spin hard to the left. after all, its the interweb.

Originally posted by callat703:
The last time this happened was almost what, six or seven years ago?

And my understanding is that Radiohead sells out anything they play in the States at this point. Hence why their headlining roles at Coachella and Bonnaroo were such big deals.

The last time they played US ampitheatres was 2003, I think. And if I remember correctly – and again, someone correct me because I could very well be inaccurate – neither their NJ nor Merriweather show sold out the lawn. On the other hand, if DMB (who are terrible, btw) play an ampitheatre, the lawn sells out in a day. U2 can do 2 nights at Verizon and both sell out instantly; I doubt Radiohead could do the same.

And as for Coachella, the Radiohead Coachella of 2005 did not sell out. This year's with Rage Against The Machine (again, terrible) did. Although, since those are multi-band events, it's apples and oranges. I do not believe Radiohead's Bonnaroo show sold out in '06 either.

Again, I could be wrong on some of those details, but I don't think so. I don't chart Radiohead ticket sales, that's just my recollections as a fan.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by le sonick:
U2 aint playin Stadiums anymore either, though.

By choice.

oh no, we got the U2 fan into it now. :D

Originally posted by callat703:
Isn't it important to note that Drudge ALMOST NEVER writes content? I'd say 99% of what appears on his site is just a collection of other stories.

If you want to use Drudge as a meta-news site, more power to you. When he has any "original" news, it often turns out to be bunk.

Originally posted by callat703:
Julian, did you ignore my voting record because it disproves your hypothesis?

I ignored it because I didn't see it in the page flip.

Originally posted by manimtired:
agreed..but i'm sure there are no other heavily traveled politcal sites that spin hard to the left. after all, its the interweb.

The difference is, no one cites mediamatters as an objective "news" site. Even democrats acknowledge that much of it's propaganda. (Obviously, mediamatters or drudge use verifiable facts/stats from time to time.)