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stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

chaz wrote:

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
As I will pay for 100% of my daughter's undergrad education.

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm mostly in complete agreement with you Brian but want to say that my parents (or in-laws) haven't paid for a dime of anything since I graduated from college 25 years ago. When I moved in with them for a year after grad school, my dad charged me rent. And my wife's parents haven't paid for anything of hers since she moved out of the house when she was 17.

So don't be going and saying MY parents paid for everything!

Your parents paid for your college? Spoiled you were.

Someone paying for your college makes you weak.

You are such a tool.

Sounds like you were weak.  I paid my for own college and it didn't hold me back.  It made me choose a field and a college where I would get high returns for my investment.  Graduated with no student loans and I was making 77k a year out of college. 

i've had this argument with you before and i'm not gonna have it again, but you're completely out of touch with what college costs now and you're comparing apples to oranges.  most people paid for college out of pocket who are 50 years old or older.  nearly no one paid for college out of pocket who is 30 years or younger.

Actually you could go to Towson University and pay $8,342 a year.  I don't see how that is not doable out of pocket.  Full time during the summer and working 4 days a week during the year.  I worked 5 days a week and attended full-time.  I had either all my classes on Tuesday and Thursday and Monday and Wednesday nights.

atomic wrote:

Actually you could go to Towson University and pay $8,342 a year.  I don't see how that is not doable out of pocket.  Full time during the summer and working 4 days a week during the year.  I worked 5 days a week and attended full-time.  I had either all my classes on Tuesday and Thursday and Monday and Wednesday nights.

I'd be surprised if that amount includes anything beyond tuition. 
That leaves housing.  Meals.  Books.  Probably another 8 or 9k at least. 

Assuming a kid isn't living at home college is basically about 20k a year minimum.

atomic wrote:

Serioulsy, I would make any children pay at least 1/3 of their college education. And not using student loans either.  If you don't pay for part of it you won't choose your college or your field wisely.   You aren't helping your children by paying for everything.  They could go off and do something stupid like get a degree in philosphy at some expensive private school  

I'm not taking atomic's side in this, but college is so horribly overpriced (like a ticket to see Paul Simon…and STING!) with regards to "elite" schools.  The "a college education has never been more expensive and worthless at the same time" argument may be true.  It may look better on a resume (which is whatever the educational term for "racist" is) but is a Georgetown education really that much better than Maryland education?  Do they impart different knowledge?  The buffet's better?

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
I like Archer too.

And I'm a hypocrite for calling Lena Dunham "fat" (which she really isn't.  I just don't like her) and yet totally lusting after this:



She's like, my dream woman.

Brian

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

chaz wrote:

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
As I will pay for 100% of my daughter's undergrad education.

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm mostly in complete agreement with you Brian but want to say that my parents (or in-laws) haven't paid for a dime of anything since I graduated from college 25 years ago. When I moved in with them for a year after grad school, my dad charged me rent. And my wife's parents haven't paid for anything of hers since she moved out of the house when she was 17.

So don't be going and saying MY parents paid for everything!

Your parents paid for your college? Spoiled you were.

Someone paying for your college makes you weak.

You are such a tool.

Sounds like you were weak.  I paid my for own college and it didn't hold me back.  It made me choose a field and a college where I would get high returns for my investment.  Graduated with no student loans and I was making 77k a year out of college. 

i've had this argument with you before and i'm not gonna have it again, but you're completely out of touch with what college costs now and you're comparing apples to oranges.  most people paid for college out of pocket who are 50 years old or older.  nearly no one paid for college out of pocket who is 30 years or younger.

Actually you could go to Towson University and pay $8,342* a year.  I don't see how that is not doable out of pocket.  Full time during the summer and working 4 days a week during the year.  I worked 5 days a week and attended full-time.  I had either all my classes on Tuesday and Thursday and Monday and Wednesday nights.

*books, rent, food, computer, car, car insurance, health insurance, gas, utilities, etc not included. costs based on in-state tuition only. quality of educatio may vary depending on your degree.

i do admit, towson is affordable, and it could be done by some. but to assume that it works like that across the board is simply ridiculous.

edit: mostly a repeat of chaz's response. i thought brian wallaces archer post was the "warning" i got :)

chaz wrote:

atomic wrote:

Actually you could go to Towson University and pay $8,342 a year.  I don't see how that is not doable out of pocket.  Full time during the summer and working 4 days a week during the year.  I worked 5 days a week and attended full-time.  I had either all my classes on Tuesday and Thursday and Monday and Wednesday nights.

I'd be surprised if that amount includes anything beyond tuition. 
That leaves housing.  Meals.  Books.  Probably another 8 or 9k at least. 

Assuming a kid isn't living at home college is basically about 20k a year minimum.

So isn't 20k a year easy enough to make.  Get a job as a waiter.  I worked at a grocery store my first couple of years of college and made probably 12k a year back then. Also worked at a warehouse over the summer in 1984 making 9 bucks an hour driving a forklift as a second job at night.  It is easy to do if you set your mind to it and have a goal.  And it is more rewarding. 

Brian_Wallace wrote:

atomic wrote:

Serioulsy, I would make any children pay at least 1/3 of their college education. And not using student loans either.  If you don't pay for part of it you won't choose your college or your field wisely.   You aren't helping your children by paying for everything.  They could go off and do something stupid like get a degree in philosphy at some expensive private school  

I'm not taking atomic's side in this, but college is so horribly overpriced (like a ticket to see Paul Simon…and STING!) with regards to "elite" schools.  The "a college education has never been more expensive and worthless at the same time" argument may be true.  It may look better on a resume (which is whatever the educational term for "racist" is) but is a Georgetown education really that much better than Maryland education?  Do they impart different knowledge?  The buffet's better?

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
I like Archer too.

And I'm a hypocrite for calling Lena Dunham "fat" (which she really isn't.  I just don't like her) and yet totally lusting after this:



She's like, my dream woman.

Brian

That is because she is so slutty. 

How I met your mother is back on tonight.  Tonight is actually a good night to be watching TV.

A. Between UVA, William and Mary and Va Tech, we have three of the top 75 schools right here in VA. She will go to a state school…unless somehow a top notch private school is cheaper.

B. She will be strongly encouraged to major in something useful and practical.

atomic wrote:

chaz wrote:

atomic wrote:

chaz wrote:

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
As I will pay for 100% of my daughter's undergrad education.

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm mostly in complete agreement with you Brian but want to say that my parents (or in-laws) haven't paid for a dime of anything since I graduated from college 25 years ago. When I moved in with them for a year after grad school, my dad charged me rent. And my wife's parents haven't paid for anything of hers since she moved out of the house when she was 17.

So don't be going and saying MY parents paid for everything!

Your parents paid for your college? Spoiled you were.

Someone paying for your college makes you weak.

You are such a tool.

Sounds like you were weak.  I paid my for own college and it didn't hold me back.  It made me choose a field and a college where I would get high returns for my investment.  Graduated with no student loans and I was making 77k a year out of college. 

A well compensated tool!

Serioulsy, I would make any children pay at least 1/3 of their college education. And not using student loans either.  If you don't pay for part of it you won't choose your college or your field wisely.   You aren't helping your children by paying for everything.  They could go off and do something stupid like get a degree in philosphy at some expensive private school  

So I guess a lot of people are bent outta shape over the scene where Adam and Shosh go for a hike and Hannah elects to pay in the leaves and listen to This American Life. Some say it sums up what they hate about the show/the Hannah character and others say it was a tongue in cheek wink to critics who find the shoe indulgent. Thoughts?

Girls was deleted from our DVR

kosmo wrote:
Girls was deleted from our DVR

intentionally or accidentally?

Julian, wrote:

kosmo wrote:
Girls was deleted from our DVR

intentionally or accidentally?

intentionally - season two was pretty much unbearable to watch and it the season finale was the nail in the coffin

kosmo wrote:
intentionally - season two was pretty much unbearable to watch and it the season finale was the nail in the coffin

The running through the streets shirtless while FaceTiming thing was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on a decent show, admittedly.

I didn't like Season 2 as much the first time through. I thought One Man's Trash was maybe the best 30 minute episode of TV I'd seen in years but the entire thing felt like a different show than season 1. It felt much more introspective into the characters psyche's than the first one and since I was expecting the first season redux, it was somewhat jarring to not get what you were expecting, you know?

Then someone bought me both seasons on bluray and I rewatched it over the holidays and as I'm going thru Season 1, I'm thinking, "Wait, this is more joke-y, it's nowhere near as deep as the later episodes," and I realized that after having seen both versions of the show and walking away from it for a while, I actually liked the second season much more. One thing both the AV Club and Grantland review of the season (both have seen the entire thing, apparently) commented on is the feeling they had that Season 3 is more "traditionally sitcom" or "smaller" than Season 2. Having only seen the first two eps, I think it was more of that joke-y, season 1 style episodes where they aren't trying to go as deep into characters motivations and instead are functioning at a ratio that's more for laughs. If you liked season 1 and hated season 2, I think you should at least try watching the double-episode premiere. As I said in my bullet-points, the Shoshanna/Ray storyline was hysterical. (I predict Zosia Mamet has the biggest career a decade from now and mostly doing comedic roles.)

You re-watch entire television seasons of television series? Dude, you need to get some hobbies!

I predict these chicks won't even have careers ten years from now! That's Hollywood!

I rewatch the entire run of The O.C. and The Hills (up until LC leaves) EVERY YEAR.

chaz wrote:

James wrote:
As I will pay for 100% of my daughter's undergrad education.

Ditto again.  It's the best feeling knowing that my kids' college fund should be up to snuff when they ship out.

My parents paid for mine and I am so glad they did.  I really appreciated it and I haven't had to move back home or ask for money since I graduated.  That is my gift to them for all they did for me.

BUT, I really loved both episodes of Girls.  I love Shosh so much.  She is an awesome character.  And Yay for a naked woman on camera who looks like what women really look like.  We aren't all size 2 anorexic no boob stick figures.

The Archer episode last night was not very good.  Neither was How I met your mother. 

Am I the only one who likes the Mindy Project? 

Has anyone watched Hit&Miss?

good lord . . . get a job, hippie.

James wrote:
A. Between UVA, William and Mary and Va Tech, we have three of the top 75 schools right here in VA. She will go to a state school…unless somehow a top notch private school is cheaper.

B. She will be strongly encouraged to major in something useful and practical.

one of those schools has plenty of useful and practical majors ;)

student loans will be a practical option, especially when you realize your child wants to live with their best friends off-campus and rent is $500 a month (financial curveball!), or they want to take five years instead of four (common, these days), or they want to do any of the other million dumb things college students do that cost a shit-ton of money.  

while i find it sincere that you and chaz want to pay 100%, my parents said the same thing too, and my friends parents, and all my peers in school. my experience is it rarely happens. it's nice that your parents did that for you, but college is stupid expensive now, even in-state. i started school 8 years ago, and in that eight years, tuition increased 9k from where i started. 9k! when you're staring down 100k worth of expenses, you'll come to your senses and say "okay, i guess 20k in student loans for my child is reasonable". and you can tell me i'm full of shit, because honestly who am i to judge someone else's goals or aspirations, but consider finding some practical middle ground between where you are now and atomic's "let the child pay it all" as that day approaches and you begin to realize the actual costs and what your financial options are. and if you do manage to pay 100%, good on you and i'll buy you a beer next time i see you.