Those Darned Redskins, Pt. Deux

RatBastard wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
This whole nonsense about the football team's name is about as silly as the people who are upset about the camel in the 'guess what day it is' commercials because using a camel might be offensive to some arabs.  If the criteria for words we cannot say any more is that the word in question might offend someone, then we need to ban all words.  I promise you that for any word we pick, someone somewhere will be offended by its use.  In the words of a semi-famous person form a few years back, "stop the insanity".

I have never heard anyone being offended by the Ravens, Orioles, Capitals, Nationals, DC United or 99 percent of other sports names.  Your argument is weak.

So just because you don't know about something means, never mind, I didn't notice who I was dealing with here.

Provide examples or your argument is as weak as it always is.

The camel issue is a perfect example.  there are many people who are offended by the silly use of the term "n-word", as if we all don't know what word it refers to.  When discussing the word 'nigger' as offensive as it is, are we not grown up enough that we can actually say the word we are talking about rather than saying "n-word" as if it made things any better?  Truth be told 99% of the so called politically correct" terms are just plain offensive and silly.

So you are saying the Washington Cunts has a nice ring to it?

hutch wrote:

Julian, wrote:
You're claiming any team name is going to offend someone but you don't explain how "Ravens, Orioles, Capitals, Nationals" would be offensive. What group would object to any of those and for what reason?

I was offended by the stupidity of naming them the Nationals…. they should have been the Senators.. the only saving grace is that people used to call the Senators "the Nats" and people now call the Nationals "the Nats"..

DC has a long tradition of stupidity in names… picking the Wizards for the NBA team comes to mind…

Actually none of the DC teams have good names.  You need a team that you can get a mascot.  I guess you could get a Native American to dance for the Football team but some might not like it.  I think Rhinos came in second for a choice for the Ravens.  That would be a great name for a football team and you could have a live rhino on the sideline…how awesome would that be?

atomic wrote:

Julian, wrote:
Exact concessions from whom?

The Indians of course.  Get some of that casino money.

They prefer the term "Native American", please and thank you.

DC team names?  They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

RatBastard wrote:
DC team names?   They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

How is wizards more offensive than bullets? Whom is it offensive to? Warlocks?

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
DC team names?   They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

How is wizards more offensive than bullets? Whom is it offensive to? Warlocks?

I find it offensive.  It reminds me of people who play Dungeons and Dragons and I think someone needs to be beat up for being so nerdy so it gets me in an angry mood.

atomic wrote:

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
DC team names?   They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

How is wizards more offensive than bullets? Whom is it offensive to? Warlocks?

I find it offensive.  It reminds me of people who play Dungeons and Dragons and I think someone needs to be beat up for being so nerdy so it gets me in an angry mood.

Lets leave killsaly out of this…

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
This whole nonsense about the football team's name is about as silly as the people who are upset about the camel in the 'guess what day it is' commercials because using a camel might be offensive to some arabs.  If the criteria for words we cannot say any more is that the word in question might offend someone, then we need to ban all words.  I promise you that for any word we pick, someone somewhere will be offended by its use.  In the words of a semi-famous person form a few years back, "stop the insanity".

I have never heard anyone being offended by the Ravens, Orioles, Capitals, Nationals, DC United or 99 percent of other sports names.  Your argument is weak.

So just because you don't know about something means, never mind, I didn't notice who I was dealing with here.

Provide examples or your argument is as weak as it always is.

The camel issue is a perfect example.  there are many people who are offended by the silly use of the term "n-word", as if we all don't know what word it refers to.  When discussing the word 'nigger' as offensive as it is, are we not grown up enough that we can actually say the word we are talking about rather than saying "n-word" as if it made things any better?  Truth be told 99% of the so called politically correct" terms are just plain offensive and silly.

So you are saying the Washington Cunts has a nice ring to it?

it has a nice ring to it. halftime show can be a mock abortion. or fuck it, a real abortion, it's ratbastard's america and there's no room for being PC.

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomic wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
This whole nonsense about the football team's name is about as silly as the people who are upset about the camel in the 'guess what day it is' commercials because using a camel might be offensive to some arabs.  If the criteria for words we cannot say any more is that the word in question might offend someone, then we need to ban all words.  I promise you that for any word we pick, someone somewhere will be offended by its use.  In the words of a semi-famous person form a few years back, "stop the insanity".

I have never heard anyone being offended by the Ravens, Orioles, Capitals, Nationals, DC United or 99 percent of other sports names.  Your argument is weak.

So just because you don't know about something means, never mind, I didn't notice who I was dealing with here.

Provide examples or your argument is as weak as it always is.

The camel issue is a perfect example.  there are many people who are offended by the silly use of the term "n-word", as if we all don't know what word it refers to.  When discussing the word 'nigger' as offensive as it is, are we not grown up enough that we can actually say the word we are talking about rather than saying "n-word" as if it made things any better?  Truth be told 99% of the so called politically correct" terms are just plain offensive and silly.

So you are saying the Washington Cunts has a nice ring to it?

it has a nice ring to it. halftime show can be a mock abortion. or fuck it, a real abortion, it's ratbastard's america and there's no room for being PC.

You could even have a fan contest to see which lucky fan gets to make the initial incision!

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
DC team names?   They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

How is wizards more offensive than bullets? Whom is it offensive to? Warlocks?

I take it you did not click the link.

Julian, wrote:I don't understand your point. I've never heard anyone offended by the euphemism "the n-word" being used in lieu of "nigger" and I live in a congressional district that just said Eric Cantor wasn't a sufficiently hateful, conservative loon for their liking.

I think atomic made an excellent point. He gave five other area sports team names and claims he's never heard anyone find their use offensive or racist. (Nor have I.) You're claiming any team name is going to offend someone but you don't explain how "Ravens, Orioles, Capitals, Nationals" would be offensive. What group would object to any of those and for what reason?

I personally am offended by the term 'n-word'.

I did not claim team names could be offensive.  I claimed that for any word, we could dig and eventually find someone who is offended by that word.  I don't profess to know 'how' or 'why' anyone would find any given word offensive, but I am saying that someone will choose to be offended by any given word we pick.

RatBastard wrote:

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
DC team names?   They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

How is wizards more offensive than bullets? Whom is it offensive to? Warlocks?

I take it you did not click the link.

i missed it.

That said, figuratively no one hears "the Washington Wizards" and sees the logo with a magician and goes, "oh this is a KKK reference." Conversely, figuratively every person on earth acknowledges the name of the Washington NFL team is a racial slur devoid of any defendable alternate meaning. The two situations could not constitute more of a false equivalency. You're either intellectual dishonest or intellectually disabled to claim otherwise.

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

hutch wrote:
look its over.. the name has to go…its offensive to a lot of people…. even non-indians for crying out loud.

the crummy owner should get ahead of the story and change the name.. they could use a reboot anyways…. they've sucked since about 1993 for crying out loud.. that's more than two decades…

the owner should be smart and do it now.. not wait til his hand is ultimately forced which is what will happen… do it from a position of strength and maybe even exact some concessions in return

EVERY word is offensive to some people.  I agree with you that sooner or later the name will change.  It has nothing to do with what is right or wrong though, it has more to do with the PC crap that has taken over the USA.

Explain to whom and for what reason the word "and" is offensive. Hyperbole much?

I don't know why anyone would be offended by any word.  That does not mean that people are not choosing to be offended.  I find the whole concept of people choosing to be offended by words to be the silliest thing on the face of the earth.  Having said that, I do find the term 'n-word' to be offensive.  Not so much as for the term itself, but for the childishness and insult to the intelligence of others when someone uses that thinking 1) the rest of us do not know they are really saying 'nigger', and 2) that saying 'n-word' is any better than saying the word 'nigger'.  Its the concept that using the PC term makes it OK.  It is not so much offensive in the true sense of the word as it is laughable that others use such terms.

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
DC team names?   They changed the NBA team form Bullets and the official reason was that 'bullets' was offensive because of the violence associated with the term.  So what do they change it to, 'Wizards' as if that were not more offensive that bullets.  Proof positive that PC types are 100% full of shit.

How is wizards more offensive than bullets? Whom is it offensive to? Warlocks?

I take it you did not click the link.

i missed it.

That said, figuratively no one hears "the Washington Wizards" and sees the logo with a magician and goes, "oh this is a KKK reference." Conversely, figuratively every person on earth acknowledges the name of the Washington NFL team is a racial slur devoid of any defendable alternate meaning. The two situations could not constitute more of a false equivalency. You're either intellectual dishonest or intellectually disabled to claim otherwise.

The KKK was the very first thing I thought of when I heard the name Wizards.  I do not find the term Redskins even slightly offensive.

I seriously doubt that most poeple saw he name bullets and thought of murder.

Julian, wrote:
You're either intellectual dishonest or intellectually disabled to claim otherwise.

that's got to be the fanciest way of saying "you're stupid' i've ever seen.

stevewizzle wrote:

Julian, wrote:
You're either intellectual dishonest or intellectually disabled to claim otherwise.

that's got to be the fanciest way of saying "you're stupid' i've ever seen.

+1

Right, "laughable," "silly," and "childish" aren't even on the same planet as an intentional slur against an ethnic group. You're equating apples to hyperbolic, hateful oranges.

stevewizzle wrote:

Julian, wrote:
You're either intellectual dishonest or intellectually disabled to claim otherwise.

that's got to be the fanciest way of saying "you're stupid' i've ever seen.

No, I leave open the possibility he's not stupid, but rather being intentionally tone-deaf for some entertainment purposes. But, yes, if he actually believes this, he's so stupid that his being alive at his age all but disproves survival of the fittest.

Julian, wrote:
Right, "laughable," "silly," and "childish" aren't even on the same planet as an intentional slur against an ethnic group. You're equating apples to hyperbolic, hateful oranges.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.  IMHO using the term 'n-word' is is exactly the same as saying the word 'nigger', if not worse.  Worse in that you are saying the word and hiding behind some silly PC term thinking it makes you better to do so.

Julian, wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

Julian, wrote:
You're either intellectual dishonest or intellectually disabled to claim otherwise.

that's got to be the fanciest way of saying "you're stupid' i've ever seen.

No, I leave open the possibility he's not stupid, but rather being intentionally tone-deaf for some entertainment purposes. But, yes, if he actually believes this, he's so stupid that his being alive at his age all but disproves survival of the fittest.

You really believe it takes someone stupid to see a team named the Wizards, especially a team in a sport  dominated by black players, and think of the KKK connection?  I think it takes someone ignorant to not make that connection.