Those Darned Redskins, Pt. Deux

Unsanity wrote:
DC Stars hahaha that's great! That band sucked haha.

Is it me or is you?

I just looked them up and it seems their lead singer dies 3 years ago of cancer. 

RatBastard wrote:

Julian, wrote:
Actually Ratbastard, most of us disagree with your number two point. Hypothetical, imaginary offense taken by a theoretical person somewhere in no way equates to actual offense taken by tens of millions of real people. You keep saying this insane thing as though if you repeat it enough times it's true, but it's not. It's illogical.

It's sort of like going "anyone could hypothetically commit a murder so why should we prosecute people who actually did commit murders?"

It has nothing to do with theory.  Not even close.  It is an absolute fact that a huge proportion of NBA players are black.  It is an absolute fact that the largest anti-black group in this country's history was/is the KKK.  It is an absolute fact that the leader of the KKK is called the grand wizard.  There is nothing imaginary about any of that.

its theoretical because you fail to show one example of anyone ACTUALLY SAYING they're offended. No NBA player is anti-Wizards name publicly. I can find no evidence thru google searches of anyone but you – who says yourself that you're not offended – making a connection between the name and the KKK. On the other hand, there is massive, apparent dislike of the Redskins name.

This is called strawman-ism, and it's a trade you and atomic apply regularly. Instead of arguing the actual merits of an issue (in this case, the suitability of the NFL teams name) you conflate that issue with a make believe issue (the idea that if a name offends on person, it's just as bad as if it offends 100million, a thought no one on here believes despite how liberal PC you purport us to be) that no one actually argues (a strawman), in hopes of making the actual topic being discussed look foolish by association. Unfortunately, this isn't Fox News, so none of us fall for that.

I have never once associated the name Wizards and the KKK or ever heard the connection until this thread. It's probably the single most idiotic thing I've read related to the Redskins name change.

Julian, wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

Julian, wrote:
Actually Ratbastard, most of us disagree with your number two point. Hypothetical, imaginary offense taken by a theoretical person somewhere in no way equates to actual offense taken by tens of millions of real people. You keep saying this insane thing as though if you repeat it enough times it's true, but it's not. It's illogical.

It's sort of like going "anyone could hypothetically commit a murder so why should we prosecute people who actually did commit murders?"

It has nothing to do with theory.  Not even close.  It is an absolute fact that a huge proportion of NBA players are black.  It is an absolute fact that the largest anti-black group in this country's history was/is the KKK.  It is an absolute fact that the leader of the KKK is called the grand wizard.  There is nothing imaginary about any of that.

its theoretical because you fail to show one example of anyone ACTUALLY SAYING they're offended. No NBA player is anti-Wizards name publicly. I can find no evidence thru google searches of anyone but you – who says yourself that you're not offended – making a connection between the name and the KKK. On the other hand, there is massive, apparent dislike of the Redskins name.

This is called strawman-ism, and it's a trade you and atomic apply regularly. Instead of arguing the actual merits of an issue (in this case, the suitability of the NFL teams name) you conflate that issue with a make believe issue (the idea that if a name offends on person, it's just as bad as if it offends 100million, a thought no one on here believes despite how liberal PC you purport us to be) that no one actually argues (a strawman), in hopes of making the actual topic being discussed look foolish by association. Unfortunately, this isn't Fox News, so none of us fall for that.

Please give examples of me doing this.  I only state facts.  If you don't like the facts I state that is your problem.  Don't try to lump be in with Ratbastard.

walkonby wrote:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/in-preseason-game-redskins-run-onto-field-with-hands-up-for-michael-brown/

Yeah the Washington NFL team is totally whom I want to hear commentary about race relations in America from.  Totally.

Julian, wrote:

walkonby wrote:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/in-preseason-game-redskins-run-onto-field-with-hands-up-for-michael-brown/

Yeah the Washington NFL team is totally who I want to hear commentary about race relations in America. Totally.

Darn it, Redskins.

It won't happen.

Why not?

Publicity Stunts like this won't work.  If you believe in your cause, confront your naysayers.

http://deadspin.com/disgraced-soon-to-be-former-navajo-nation-president-at-1645509844?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Can't he watch a game with his bro?

DFA basically trying to get invited into snyder's private box by publicly defending him on the 930 forums.  i say declare yourself from native american-descent and see how far this thing goes.

Not at all defending him. Just asking a question.

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
Not at all defending him. Just asking a question.

Because, unless I am missing something, its not his "bro." If dan Snyder and this gentleman were schoolyard chums 40 years ago and have kept a long, vibrant friendship, then sure. When it is clearly not someone Dan Snyder is actually friends with – because, you know, I don't think alot of team owners supply lists of job titles for their visiting friends to their broadcast partners so that can just COINCIDENTALLY get on TV – it reeks of PR stunt.

They're bros.

The team is horrible, and they need to change the goddamn name already.  I can't justify my lifelong allegiance much longer.

Whenever I'm sitting with Larry Baer or Jed York and happen to get on TV, my name and job title aren't posted on the broadcast.

can i, play with your balls?

vansmack wrote:
Whenever I'm sitting with Larry Baer or Jed York and happen to get on TV, my name and job title aren't posted on the broadcast.

Apparently you're not "bros" then. Bros make sure broadcast partners hype bros, bro.