Those Darned Redskins, Pt. Deux

the team it is crazy to say may really be cursed…. what were the two best players they got the past 10 years or so?

sean taylor

RGIII


the first , rip, was killed…the second was put in/left in when he should not have by shanahan and may now be damaged goods…maybe playing the style he was he would have been injured regardless…but the fact remains that the two best players the franchise has had the past decade…

i do think shanahan was a little b i t c h more intent on making his points and winning the arguments and making himself lookk good and proving he had the biggest dick THAN in ensuring success.. the whole Haynesworth thing was completely bungled… I mean you can tell me that they didn't like him, that he showed up overweight and all this.. but how did embarassing him in public like they did help the team? it completely depreciated the player to the point he was worthless… and i think if you come in and you have a guy with such a big contract with some proven success playing in that other system you should have not been so quick to say you have no interest in that system.. i'm no fan of haynesworth but when they signed him and brought him in the idea was for him to keep playing like with his former team…. embarassing him in public that to me seemed like junior varsity stuff… why? to prove a point?

the whole mcnabb thing was also just another controversy that was unecessary…. i mean i dont' know that donovan is  a great guy but by all accounts a fairly professional QB.. it seemed at the end they were trying to embarass him in public… Shanahan just seemed more bent on proving himself right than anything else..

Please tell me hutch did not justify decisions by the landover team by saying the Browns did a similar thing.  Holy shit. Perhaps you can find done (my beloved) Lions-esque parallels to further prove the rightness of Snyders course of actions. Holy shit.

Julian, wrote:
Please tell me hutch did not justify decisions by the landover team by saying the Browns did a similar thing.  Holy shit. Perhaps you can find done (my beloved) Lions-esque parallels to further prove the rightness of Snyders course of actions. Holy shit.

the point is that when you're a losing team you go through coaches cause you're losing

"prove the rightness"?

Julian, I always thought you could write.. .is your kid hijacking your account?

So what makes the Patriots the Patriots?  Or the Ravens?  Why have they had success while Washington has not?  Or Cleveland?  Or Detroit?

Shemp wrote:
So what makes the Patriots the Patriots?  Or the Ravens?  Why have they had success while Washington has not?  Or Cleveland?  Or Detroit?

I think Snyder is a bad owner.. I'm not arguing that contrary to what Julian's five year old kid is posting….. just pointing out that firing failing coaches is not the reason..

hutch wrote:

Shemp wrote:
8 head coaches in 15 years under Danny Boy - not exactly the recipe for success

this is a stupid statistic shemp and you know it!

the reason they've had so many coaches is cause they've been losing.. i mean the browns have had a ton of coaches too.. when you suck you make changes… you don't just keep sucking… if you suck for two years under coach a you try somebody new…thats just the way the business is.. you don't say "hey we really have sucked the past 10 years under this guy but lets keep going with him cause that's a recipe for success!"

if they'd been winning they'd have far fewer coaches

in other words, its not the number of coaches being high having caused losing but rather losing having caused the number of coaches to be high

or does anybody think they should have kept shanahan? and I have to say Snyder's problem hasn't been not sticking with coaches… Gibbs basically quit on him….Zorn just kind of sucked and had to go….

the only two coaches that arguably should have been kept longer, in the Snyder era, are Norv Turner (who at the time when he was let go seemed to kind of suck.. I think people forget…he made some serious mistakes.. I think he got better later) and Shottenheimer

its really hard to say what the problem is..its just a clusterfuck of issues…coachingwise he's tried just about everything….he should have made that defensive guy gregg williams head coach (yeah the bounty guy)..but other than that?

i guess the mistake with the salary cap was a big whooper… i still don't quite get what they did that was wrong

You don't get what they did with the salary cap that was wrong?  They tried to release a player with a huge contract in the year without the cap.  You know trying to get rid of your mistake when the league specifically told them not to and warned them of the consequences. 

As for firing coaches all the time.  Who is picking all these coaches?  They have had success other places yet not here.  Maybe it isn't the coaches who are the problem.  Just firing them leads to lame ducks coaches over and over.  The Bengals stuck with their coach through losing seasons. Now they are making the playoffs in back to back seasons.

The name MUST be a curse when they've won 3 Super Bowls and 2 World Championships under the name. Yes, the last was over 2 decades ago, but they have been named the same thing for the better part of a century.

At this point I don't give 2 squirts of piss WHAT the hell they do. Win another Super Bowl. Rename them the Washington Dudeguys and if they win a Super Bowl it'll all be fine with me.

Really - who would want to work for Dan Snyder at this point. 

ggw wrote:
Really - who would want to work for Dan Snyder at this point. 

I don't like Dan Snyder at all but I'm pretty sure Shanahan has $28 million reasons why someone might want to work for Snyder…including as I understand it $7 million for sitting out next year… not only that he got his own son Kyle hired by Snyder (I'm sure also not cheap) and by all accounts got Snyder to do pretty much much whatever he wanted (building more and newer team facilities, holding camp wherever he wanted, etc.)..

I just don't recall all these horrible things Snyder did to Shanahan…I think he was very handsoffish…I don't think i've heard a peep from Snyder all year except for his statement released yesterday about fans deserving better..

I don't know that its proven that Snyder overruled Shanahan on drafting RGIII and trading all those picks for him…there's a lot of "leaks" put out there by Shanahan that have been confusing the issues…at least thats the way I see it..

Having said that I also dont think there are a lot of people lining up for the job… but when I really think about it I'm not sure its because of Snyder… partly its that but its more than that.. the stench of failure…the feeling that its just a loser team… the lack of desire to get involved in a shitshow….

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
The name MUST be a curse when they've won 3 Super Bowls and 2 World Championships under the name. Yes, the last was over 2 decades ago, but they have been named the same thing for the better part of a century.

At this point I don't give 2 squirts of piss WHAT the hell they do. Win another Super Bowl. Rename them the Washington Dudeguys and if they win a Super Bowl it'll all be fine with me.

nobody cared what they were named until more recently… you could make the argument the curse was activated when Cooke died…

personally I think the team needs a fresh start… changing the name would be a beginning….the clamor for them to change the name will get louder.. given the team's racist history I think they should have been out in front on the name issue…

jesus . . . if only people had this much passion about poverty, homelessness, the government working, jobs, the deficit, racism, etc.  if only.

walkonby wrote:
jesus . . . if only people had this much passion about poverty, homelessness, the government working, jobs, the deficit, racism, etc.  if only.

How do you infer I don't have even more passion about those issues?

Obviously posting about anything related to politics on this board is a recipe for disaster… moreover, when you get a bit older you realize most people have their own opinions and are pretty much only interested in that which confirms them…

Cowher and Briles top list…

hutch wrote:

walkonby wrote:
jesus . . . if only people had this much passion about poverty, homelessness, the government working, jobs, the deficit, racism, etc.  if only.

How do you infer I don't have even more passion about those issues?

Obviously posting about anything related to politics on this board is a recipe for disaster… moreover, when you get a bit older you realize most people have their own opinions and are pretty much only interested in that which confirms them…

Actually everyone has their own opinions about sports too.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:

walkonby wrote:
jesus . . . if only people had this much passion about poverty, homelessness, the government working, jobs, the deficit, racism, etc.  if only.

How do you infer I don't have even more passion about those issues?

Obviously posting about anything related to politics on this board is a recipe for disaster… moreover, when you get a bit older you realize most people have their own opinions and are pretty much only interested in that which confirms them…

Actually everyone has their own opinions about sports too.

you can talk about why the redskins suck and nobody much cares what you think… talk about why president obama sucks (if that is what you think) and you're on an entirely different plane..to start with 50% of people , more like 75% on this boad who bother to post, will yell "WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE SUCKS??"

one will be, by a certain age, very invested in their politics…their politics will often be a part of how they see themselves, who they are, what they stand on, what they believe in….  the minutae of the Redskins? once you agree you're all fans you can argue about anything and not worry about it..its just not that personal…

of course your mileage may vary



at least that is the way i see it..

hutch wrote:

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:

walkonby wrote:
jesus . . . if only people had this much passion about poverty, homelessness, the government working, jobs, the deficit, racism, etc.  if only.

How do you infer I don't have even more passion about those issues?

Obviously posting about anything related to politics on this board is a recipe for disaster… moreover, when you get a bit older you realize most people have their own opinions and are pretty much only interested in that which confirms them…

Actually everyone has their own opinions about sports too.

you can talk about why the redskins suck and nobody much cares what you think… talk about why president obama sucks (if that is what you think) and you're on an entirely different plane..to start with 50% of people , more like 75% on this boad who bother to post, will yell "WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE SUCKS??"

one will be, by a certain age, very invested in their politics…their politics will often be a part of how they see themselves, who they are, what they stand on, what they believe in….  the minutae of the Redskins? once you agree you're all fans you can argue about anything and not worry about it..its just not that personal…

of course your mileage may vary



at least that is the way i see it..

American Politicians are so similar I don't see why people get in this Republican / Democrat thing.  People think of politics very similar to football.  They want to have their side win.  THey don't care what is best for the country.  In football only one side can win.  I guess in election only one side can win as we have winner take all here and we only have two parties. But all the incumbents could win.  And if they do what is best for the country we could all win.

hutch wrote:

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
The name MUST be a curse when they've won 3 Super Bowls and 2 World Championships under the name. Yes, the last was over 2 decades ago, but they have been named the same thing for the better part of a century.

At this point I don't give 2 squirts of piss WHAT the hell they do. Win another Super Bowl. Rename them the Washington Dudeguys and if they win a Super Bowl it'll all be fine with me.

nobody cared what they were named until more recently… you could make the argument the curse was activated when Cooke died…

personally I think the team needs a fresh start… changing the name would be a beginning….the clamor for them to change the name will get louder.. given the team's racist history I think they should have been out in front on the name issue…

How racist? Like, having the only black Super Bowl winning quarterback in NFL history? Pretty racist.

Honestly, I don't give a shit at this point. They can do whatever they want. If they bring me a Super Bowl, I don't care what they're named or who owns the team.

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:

hutch wrote:

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
The name MUST be a curse when they've won 3 Super Bowls and 2 World Championships under the name. Yes, the last was over 2 decades ago, but they have been named the same thing for the better part of a century.

At this point I don't give 2 squirts of piss WHAT the hell they do. Win another Super Bowl. Rename them the Washington Dudeguys and if they win a Super Bowl it'll all be fine with me.

nobody cared what they were named until more recently… you could make the argument the curse was activated when Cooke died…

personally I think the team needs a fresh start… changing the name would be a beginning….the clamor for them to change the name will get louder.. given the team's racist history I think they should have been out in front on the name issue…

How racist? Like, having the only black Super Bowl winning quarterback in NFL history? Pretty racist.

Honestly, I don't give a shit at this point. They can do whatever they want. If they bring me a Super Bowl, I don't care what they're named or who owns the team.

You have a weird way of thinking.  If you aren't racist to black people you aren't racist?  WTF? 

He said the team has a history of racism, I was just wondering what the history was, outside of the name. I didn't know the organization and team had a history of racism.

hutch wrote:
Cowher and Briles top list…

If BIll Cowher coaches this team I truly have zero expectations for them. I would be so upset if he takes over. The man has been out of coaching for 7 frickin years. Ugh.