Those Darned Redskins, Pt. Deux

well I speculated on who the next coach should be….I'd make a play for one of the Seattle coordinators…. Pete Carroll is managing but the coordinators are the ones drawing up the plays and they really seem to know what they're doing

the game is evolving so quickly i no longer believe there is value in going out and paying a ton of money for say a Cowher or a Gruden (although anything that would get Gruden off of MNF would be worth it… he annoys the fuck out of me) because they've been passed by…

hutch wrote:
i no longer believe there is value in going out and paying a ton of money for say a Cowher or a Gruden (although anything that would get Gruden off of MNF would be worth it… he annoys the fuck out of me)

SERIOUSLY.  his color commentary is useless.  brady makes a good pass: "that's tom brady being tom brady - you can't give him opportunities like that because he'll burn ya every time. a living legend".  tom brady throws an INT on the next play, and it's all "that's the problem with brady, making mistakes and giving the game away."  everything is fucking superlative and without any actual analysis.  he points out what just happened (that's the play-by-play guy's job, you idiot) and they tells us how it's the best or the worse thing ever.  i've gotten pretty good at muting him between plays.

more of the same:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1884793-rg3-benching-may-be-nothing-more-than-shanahans-parting-shot-in-failed-season

maybe most articles mention it but i think for shanahan this is a great move because RGIII's not getting pulled last year will always be a knock against him..by doing this he's in effect trying to show how much he cares about RGIII

all the while ticking off SNyder and RGIII and maybe leaving a quaterback controversy, if Cousins does real well, as a parting gift..

hutch wrote:
maybe most articles mention it but i think for shanahan this is a great move because RGIII's not getting pulled last year will always be a knock against him..by doing this he's in effect trying to show how much he cares about RGIII

all the while ticking off SNyder and RGIII and maybe leaving a quaterback controversy, if Cousins does real well, as a parting gift..

Maybe Cousins is the better quarterback and the Landover NFL team will start winning games now.  I mean they can't do much worse than they did with RGIII. Time to give someone else a chance.

Perhaps its my Michigan vs. Michigan State bias but there's this huge subsection of Washington fans who think Cousins is a legit starter and I look and if you extrapolate his numbers to the median starter's attempts of 550/season, he'd be on pace to throw 44 INTs in a year, yes? Say what you want about RG3, but he doesn't turn it over nearly the pace Cousins has. (Yes, small sample size, yada yada yada.)

EDIT: My mistake, just looked at the numbers again: he'd average 38 INTs is a 550 attempts season.

the funny thing is I think Shanahan is a dufus but I agree with this move… what is the point of playing RGIII at this point? with such a terrible offensive line? give him a bit longer off an offseason and lets see next year…

RG3 is mobile, Kirk is not, there is NO offensive line. Kirk will be thrashed and have zero time. I like Kirk, he's a nice guy, he did good last year against decent defenses, but it was just 1 game and a handful of drives at the end of a game and a disaster in the playoffs. I only want Kirk to fail so that it blows up in Shannahans face.

How is it possible that this man has had 3 losing seasons [in 4] and is STILL trying to make himself look good? Why can't he accept that the game has left him behind. He had full control of this operation and fucking failed. He can't fail. He's Mike Shannahan. The man ran out of Denver. John Elway. Ugh. I'm so fucking sick of this cocksuckers arrogance. Drag an entire organization so his repuation [who he staked on Rex Grossman and John Beck] will stay intact. Fuck this guy forever.

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
RG3 is mobile, Kirk is not, there is NO offensive line. Kirk will be thrashed and have zero time. I like Kirk, he's a nice guy, he did good last year against decent defenses, but it was just 1 game and a handful of drives at the end of a game and a disaster in the playoffs. I only want Kirk to fail so that it blows up in Shannahans face.

How is it possible that this man has had 3 losing seasons [in 4] and is STILL trying to make himself look good? Why can't he accept that the game has left him behind. He had full control of this operation and fucking failed. He can't fail. He's Mike Shannahan. The man ran out of Denver. John Elway. Ugh. I'm so fucking sick of this cocksuckers arrogance. Drag an entire organization so his repuation [who he staked on Rex Grossman and John Beck] will stay intact. Fuck this guy forever.

I bet you were happy when he was hired.

I didn't think it was a good hire. No previous Super Bowl winning coach has ever won another Super Bowl. This formula has been used over and over again. It's a moot point. He's out in a few weeks and we're coachless and lost yet again.

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
I didn't think it was a good hire. No previous Super Bowl winning coach has ever won another Super Bowl. This formula has been used over and over again. It's a moot point. He's out in a few weeks and we're coachless and lost yet again.

Your theory doesn't really make sense.  Bill Parcells went back to the Super Bowl after winning it twice with another team and also made it to a AFC Championship with a third team. 

I assume he means with a different team.  Parcells won his with the Giants.

Shemp wrote:
I assume he means with a different team.  Parcells won his with the Giants.

Yeah, sorry, forgot that little bit.

Getting back to the Super Bowl, great, winning a Super Bowl is a whole different story. If getting TO conference championships and Super Bowls was fine, Andy Reid would still be in Philadelphia.

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:

Shemp wrote:
I assume he means with a different team.  Parcells won his with the Giants.

Yeah, sorry, forgot that little bit.

Getting back to the Super Bowl, great, winning a Super Bowl is a whole different story. If getting TO conference championships and Super Bowls was fine, Andy Reid would still be in Philadelphia.

Getting to the Super Bowl is the goal.  That way you are in the last game of the season.    It probably is hard to win with two different teams because most great coaches are switching teams all the time and personel plays a big part in winning and there is luck.  I think you woud be happy with a Super Bowl appearance. If the Ravens make the Super Bowl this year I will be overjoyed no matter what the outcome.

Shemp wrote:
I assume he means with a different team.  Parcells won his with the Giants.

I realize that but he won 2 with the giants and then got back to the Super Bowl with someone else.

This team will never be a winner with the current owner.  I've been saying that for years.  I believe it now more than ever.

Hubris, bad karma, you name it.  Danny will never be a winner.  NEVER EVER.

And he will never sell the team.  How old is he?  45 or 50?  Barring the unforeseen that's another 30 years at least til he croaks.

Then maybe this team will have a chance.  But not before.

This guy and this team somehow always finds a way to outdo itself.   Remember his first year?  Deion Sanders… Bruce Smith…Mark Carrier. 

Adam Archuleta.  Good god.

Everyone thought the team had hit absolute rock bottom with the Albert Haynesworth debacle.  Not even close.

Donovan McNabb

Steve Spurrier

Jim Fucking Zorn?

This list of stunning embarrassments just goes on and on and on.

Which all brings us to today.

The trade with the Rams for RG3 was born of such complete and utter desperation.  The only thing Danny knows how to do is go bigger.  It didn't work before?  Well this time let's go EVEN BIGGER.

Spoiled, impatient, petulant children sometimes get just what they deserve.  This is one of those times.

I'm sorry skins fans.  This will get better no time soon.  Not as long as Dan Snyder owns this team.  Dan Snyder will forever come up with new and different ways to embarrass this once proud team.  He will somehow invent new and different ways to fail miserably.

I felt the same way about Angelos but they have won the last 2 seasons. 

atomic wrote:

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:

Shemp wrote:
I assume he means with a different team.  Parcells won his with the Giants.

Yeah, sorry, forgot that little bit.

Getting back to the Super Bowl, great, winning a Super Bowl is a whole different story. If getting TO conference championships and Super Bowls was fine, Andy Reid would still be in Philadelphia.

Getting to the Super Bowl is the goal.  That way you are in the last game of the season.    It probably is hard to win with two different teams because most great coaches are switching teams all the time and personel plays a big part in winning and there is luck.  I think you woud be happy with a Super Bowl appearance. If the Ravens make the Super Bowl this year I will be overjoyed no matter what the outcome.

If the goal was to get TO the Super Bowl, no one would care about WINNING the Super Bowl. You're stupid. Winning the Super Bowl is everything.

atomic wrote:
I felt the same way about Angelos but they have won the last 2 seasons. 

Angelos is detestable to say the least.  In the pantheon of horrible owners he is up there, but not nearly in the stratosphere of Snyder.  His karmic debt is considerable for sure, but has not reached the insurmountable platitudes that Snyder's has.

And for starters, he's got a real GM.

chaz wrote:

atomic wrote:
I felt the same way about Angelos but they have won the last 2 seasons. 

Angelos is detestable to say the least.  In the pantheon of horrible owners he is up there, but not nearly in the stratosphere of Snyder.  His karmic debt is considerable for sure, but has not reached the insurmountable platitudes that Snyder's has.

And for starters, he's got a real GM.

And Angelos's team doesn't have a racist name.