Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:oh yeah, you know me so well, why dont you try and fucking go read and come back you ignorant twat
I bet pollard was one of the yo-yo's who fainted at an Obama rally!!!
"We need water, one of my disciples has just fainted down here…oh never mind, I'll just change this wine into water for him"
DC Area Voters
Originally posted by Julian, gay agenda ILLUMINATI:Stealng it? I don't think he's stealing it at all. I do think there's a lot of gullible people buying into his schtick, but he's not pulling a Bush and stealing an election.
The more I learn about the three remaining candidates, the more I feel if it's Obama/McCain in the general election, I will not only vote for, but contribute money to, McCain. The Democratic Party is going to lose alot of voters for a long time if he somehow steals this nomination.
People get the leaders they deserve…..just remember that.
Originally posted by pdx pollard:judging from your posts you have zero right to call anyone ingnorant. STFU.
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:oh yeah, you know me so well, why dont you try and fucking go read and come back you ignorant twat
I bet pollard was one of the yo-yo's who fainted at an Obama rally!!!
"We need water, one of my disciples has just fainted down here…oh never mind, I'll just change this wine into water for him"
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:That's very true. Perhaps "steal" is the wrong word, in retrospect.
People get the leaders they deserve…..just remember that.
Originally posted by pdx pollard:See, all Obama sheep are full of hate. It just takes a little longer to pull it out of some than others..
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:oh yeah, you know me so well, why dont you try and fucking go read and come back you ignorant twat
I bet pollard was one of the yo-yo's who fainted at an Obama rally!!!
"We need water, one of my disciples has just fainted down here…oh never mind, I'll just change this wine into water for him"
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:No, but I do think it is frustrating to try and convince people of something when they steadfastly refuse to educate themselves on what is actually happening here.
Originally posted by pdx pollard:See, all Obama sheep are full of hate. It just takes a little longer to pull it out of some than others..
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:oh yeah, you know me so well, why dont you try and fucking go read and come back you ignorant twat
I bet pollard was one of the yo-yo's who fainted at an Obama rally!!!
"We need water, one of my disciples has just fainted down here…oh never mind, I'll just change this wine into water for him"
i am sorry you all need to be pussy footed around and told america is great at all times, cant question that, I tend not to be a big believer in nationalism and patriotism, perhaps because I am only American by birth and did not grow up in the US and lived abroad for much of my childhood, or perhaps I am an ignorant twat, sorry for the outburst, I just get tired of the cutting off of conversation with the sheep shit and cult member shit, I am only a member of one cult and that is GBV
Originally posted by pdx pollard:<img src="http://compsci.ca/v3/images/smiles/icon_headbang.gif" alt=" - " />
I am only a member of one cult and that is GBV
Originally posted by callat703:so you believe a prepared speech over looking at the mans actions for the last 20 years??? i think you might want to go educate yourself on his relationship with this man and what this man believes.
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:No, but I do think it is frustrating to try and convince people of something when they steadfastly refuse to educate themselves on what is actually happening here.
Originally posted by pdx pollard:See, all Obama sheep are full of hate. It just takes a little longer to pull it out of some than others..
Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:oh yeah, you know me so well, why dont you try and fucking go read and come back you ignorant twat
I bet pollard was one of the yo-yo's who fainted at an Obama rally!!!
"We need water, one of my disciples has just fainted down here…oh never mind, I'll just change this wine into water for him"
honestly, i read your and mank's arguments as youve come to your conclusion before getting both sides. and you call obama supporters sheep :roll:
Originally posted by manimtired:If you think I haven't read just about everything there is to be found on Obama's relationship with the pastor, including Obama's book, then you don't know where I'm coming from. Don't claim that you've got more of a knowledge base here and thus are more qualified to make a judgment, as I'm almost 100% positive that is false.
so you believe a prepared speech over looking at the mans actions for the last 20 years??? i think you might want to go educate yourself on his relationship with this man and what this man believes.
What do you know about what this pastor believes beyond the 30 second YouTube clip that you've seen? What do you know about why Obama started going to the church in the first place? What do you know about what Obama truly agrees with and disagrees with in this man's politics?
And since when do we have to disavow all friendships or associations with people that we disagree with? Do you not have any friends that have some political views that would appall people?
ok…he was the mans "spiritual advisor" on his campaign until this story broke. but ya…the speech. hope. unity.
Originally posted by manimtired:he had an honorary title on a committee of the campaign, do you really think he was calling him everyday in regards to the spiritual issues of a 3am call
ok…he was the mans "spiritual advisor" on his campaign until this story broke. but ya…the speech. hope. unity.
the fact he was on the campaign is enough for me to call shenanigans…i love that word.
whoops
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Speech Reactions:
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/speech_reax.html
Marc Ambinder:
I do think that Obama's speech was a marvel of contemporary political rhetoric. Politically, analytically and emotively, it hit many high notes. His acknowledgment of white working class resentments (busing) and about the perception that there's been no racial progress, his willingness to stick by his friends, his grasp of history, his sense that our views of race are cramped and caricatured… all of that is something that even those who disagree with the substance of his speech, can, I think, appreciate.
Ben Smith:
A smart colleague notes that this speech is the polar opposite of this year's other big speech on faith, in which Mitt Romney went to Texas to talk about Mormonism, but made just one reference to his Mormon faith. Obama mentions Wright by name 14 times.
Paul Mirengoff, PowerLine:
Although Obama's speech is not without its evasions, I consider it a courageous one by usual political standards. He has refused to walk away from Wright's black liberation theology when it might well have been expedient to do so. The rest of us now should have the courage to take Obama at his word and decide whether it is acceptable to elect as president of the United States someone who carries Rev. Wright around as part of him, and who takes his ranting seriously.
Andrew Sullivan:
But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.
John Podhoretz, Contentions:
Barack Obama's unusual campaign has just led to one of the most unusual speeches in American political history. The purpose of the speech is to set his own political controversy into the largest possible context to zoom out, as it were, and make it appear as though the disgusting remarks of his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, are the merest speck, a mere glancing moment in time in the centuries-long history of American race relations. He begins with the drafting of the Constitution, skips forward in time top Wright's remarks, moves back to the legacy of segregation, and onward into the horrific populist present, with black people and white people suffering horrors untold in what he says is a great country but what he intimates is a giant piece of wreckage.
Kevin Drum, Washington Monthly:
I thing we can safely assume that Barack Obama's supporters will all swoon over his speech today. And why not? It was, as usual for him, a helluva good address: intelligent, sane, sympathetic, and broadly appealing. He didn't, however, sound to me like he was really very eager to keep this conversation about race going, a feeling that's easy to understand if you take a look at what's burbling through the conservative id right about now.
Jim Geraghty, NRO:
I think the speech is wildly uneven; but I suspect that it will be praised far and wide in over-the-top terms. I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a commentator on the left who will criticize it. … The real million-dollar question… will this speech be enough Obama get working-class whites to vote for him?
Ezra Klein, American Prospect:
But this speech was something I didn't expect: Honest. It was honest about Obama's affection for Wright, even as it repudiated Wright's comments. It was honest about the tragic history of race in America, even as it expressed faith in a redemptive future. It was honest about the resentment peddlers and racial charlatans who try and recast the increasing rarity of the American Dream as the consequence of ethnic competition rather than gross power imbalances. It was honest in its recognition that racial memory influences contemporary thought, honest in admitting that there's anger in this country, and it's justified, and that there's fear in this country, and it's real.
David Brody, CBN:
We won't know for awhile how voters view Barack Obama's speech today on race relations but The Brody File saw it as a HUGE positive for Obama and a successful turning point for the future of his campaign.
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/speech_reax.html
Marc Ambinder:
I do think that Obama's speech was a marvel of contemporary political rhetoric. Politically, analytically and emotively, it hit many high notes. His acknowledgment of white working class resentments (busing) and about the perception that there's been no racial progress, his willingness to stick by his friends, his grasp of history, his sense that our views of race are cramped and caricatured… all of that is something that even those who disagree with the substance of his speech, can, I think, appreciate.
Ben Smith:
A smart colleague notes that this speech is the polar opposite of this year's other big speech on faith, in which Mitt Romney went to Texas to talk about Mormonism, but made just one reference to his Mormon faith. Obama mentions Wright by name 14 times.
Paul Mirengoff, PowerLine:
Although Obama's speech is not without its evasions, I consider it a courageous one by usual political standards. He has refused to walk away from Wright's black liberation theology when it might well have been expedient to do so. The rest of us now should have the courage to take Obama at his word and decide whether it is acceptable to elect as president of the United States someone who carries Rev. Wright around as part of him, and who takes his ranting seriously.
Andrew Sullivan:
But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.
John Podhoretz, Contentions:
Barack Obama's unusual campaign has just led to one of the most unusual speeches in American political history. The purpose of the speech is to set his own political controversy into the largest possible context to zoom out, as it were, and make it appear as though the disgusting remarks of his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, are the merest speck, a mere glancing moment in time in the centuries-long history of American race relations. He begins with the drafting of the Constitution, skips forward in time top Wright's remarks, moves back to the legacy of segregation, and onward into the horrific populist present, with black people and white people suffering horrors untold in what he says is a great country but what he intimates is a giant piece of wreckage.
Kevin Drum, Washington Monthly:
I thing we can safely assume that Barack Obama's supporters will all swoon over his speech today. And why not? It was, as usual for him, a helluva good address: intelligent, sane, sympathetic, and broadly appealing. He didn't, however, sound to me like he was really very eager to keep this conversation about race going, a feeling that's easy to understand if you take a look at what's burbling through the conservative id right about now.
Jim Geraghty, NRO:
I think the speech is wildly uneven; but I suspect that it will be praised far and wide in over-the-top terms. I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a commentator on the left who will criticize it. … The real million-dollar question… will this speech be enough Obama get working-class whites to vote for him?
Ezra Klein, American Prospect:
But this speech was something I didn't expect: Honest. It was honest about Obama's affection for Wright, even as it repudiated Wright's comments. It was honest about the tragic history of race in America, even as it expressed faith in a redemptive future. It was honest about the resentment peddlers and racial charlatans who try and recast the increasing rarity of the American Dream as the consequence of ethnic competition rather than gross power imbalances. It was honest in its recognition that racial memory influences contemporary thought, honest in admitting that there's anger in this country, and it's justified, and that there's fear in this country, and it's real.
David Brody, CBN:
We won't know for awhile how voters view Barack Obama's speech today on race relations but The Brody File saw it as a HUGE positive for Obama and a successful turning point for the future of his campaign.
You people are really overcomplicating this isuue. The decision rules for the election are pretty straightforward.
If you hate the Jews, you should support Obama.
If you hate the Blacks, you should support Hillary.
If you hate everyone, you should vote Republican.
If you hate the Jews, you should support Obama.
If you hate the Blacks, you should support Hillary.
If you hate everyone, you should vote Republican.