DC Area Voters

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by callat703:
No track record of accomplishing anything? Come on now.

Feel free to refute my claims with, you know, a list of achievements Barack Obama has accumulated during his political career.

First, you didn't specify political accomplishments. You're welcome to look at Wiki if you want a breakdown of some of the political accomplishments. They do a good job of summarizing his work in Illinois, and providing some pointed examples of work in the 109th and 110th.

But you don't think it is important to note successes outside of the political forum? Columbia University undergrad and President of the Harvard Law Review? Work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, and a professor?

Hate to break it to you, but some of our best presidents have had less experience in government than Barack Obama has had.

Originally posted by manimtired:
so the pre-presidency is dead on and the latter part just tries to make a little twist on things??

Nothing I mentioned from that article wasn't 100% uncontroverted fact and matters of public record. I can easily establish any of those "accomplishments" through a google search with 5 other sources within 2 minutes.

What's LOL is you continuing to muck up the discussion arguing the specific source of the material when you know the material itself is beyond contestation. On the topic of Clinton's pre-White House experience and accomplishments, you lose this argument badly, so you're trying to change the issue. Not buying it, Sally. Next!

actually my comment brought up the question that the source you used might possibly be biased…not about what clinton had done pre-presidency. calm down you clinton fan boy!!!

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Well I guess if we're making experience be the criteria, John McCain is clearly the best choice.

I'm not saying you should vote for the most experienced candidate, just that the candidate needs to be sufficiently experienced. It's a threshold issue. Barack Obama's experience in national politics consists of winning an election he ran unopposed in and having nothing to hang his hat for his 4 years in the Senate.

The Obama contingency keeps dodging the issue: explain to me why Obama is qualified to be President. What relevant experience does he have? If I – a fastidious liberal – can point that out, do you think John McCain and the RNC, aren't going to be able to in the general election?

And I'll flip it on you - the people making this argument can't make a convincing argument to me that "relevant experience" can only be composed of working in Washington.

If you want a strong argument that points out some of the reasons the "experience" argument is flawed, read this:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/the-natural.html

Why are we talking about Bill's career, I though we were talking about Hillary and Barack.

Originally posted by callat703:
But you don't think it is important to note successes outside of the political forum? Columbia University undergrad and President of the Harvard Law Review? Work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, and a professor?

I've got a bachelor's degree, was elected Most Huggable in high school, and have done volunteer work feeding the homeless and helping children with MS. Perhaps I should run for Emperor.

I think in this day and age, we all agree anyone who's going to be President probably graduated from college, and a good one at that. And a vast many politicians were lawyers and did good work in their community. The fact the Obama camp want to hang their hat on this as his grand qualifications to bring about change and lead the free world only highlights how much of a sitting duck he's going to be when the competition isn't "friendly."

I'm not sure which presidents you are talking about, but is it possible that we live in a more complicated world and operate with a more complicated government system in and of itself than when those guys were president?

Originally posted by callat703:

Hate to break it to you, but some of our best presidents have had less experience in government than Barack Obama has had.

When the Skins win the Super Bowl next year under Jimmy Zorn, how are you experience whores going to explain that?

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Conor Oberst (and Jeff Tweedy and Win Butler) supports Obama. This is a boy-man who truly has his his finger on the pulse of what's good for America. How could you not believe what Conor Oberst believes? Case closed.

Don't forget Obama's got the Grateful Dead on his side as well:

http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0562976220080205

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
When the Skins win the Super Bowl next year under Jimmy Zorn, how are you experience whores going to explain that?

ron paul has a better shot of being president that the skins winning the superbowl under a rookie coach…and im a huge skins fan.

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Why are we talking about Bill's career, I though we were talking about Hillary and Barack.

The Obama contingency refuse to list his political accomplishments and decided to argue Bill Clinton wasn't experienced. However, as you've noticed, I've schooled them on that point as well, but good work in reminding the viewers how obstructionist they're being and how badly they want to discuss any issue except the ease at which their chosen candidate will get butchered in a general election.

Have we talked yet about how, despite his supposed magnetism and charisma, when put one-on-one in a debate, Barack has faltered terribly? That's a quality I want in a general election candidate.

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Why are we talking about Bill's career, I though we were talking about Hillary and Barack.

Because Julian has a total man-crush on Bill.

Originally posted by manimtired:
ron paul has a better shot of being president that the skins winning the superbowl under a rookie coach…and im a huge skins fan.

Shit, the Skins got a better chance of winning the Super Bowl under Ron Paul then Jim Zorn.

Smells like 5 and 11.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I'm not sure which presidents you are talking about, but is it possible that we live in a more complicated world and operate with a more complicated government system in and of itself than when those guys were president?

Originally posted by callat703:

Hate to break it to you, but some of our best presidents have had less experience in government than Barack Obama has had.

Complicated is relative, wouldn't you say?

One example, top of my head - Dwight Eisenhower.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Why are we talking about Bill's career, I though we were talking about Hillary and Barack.

The Obama contingency refuse to list his political accomplishments and decided to argue Bill Clinton wasn't experienced. However, as you've noticed, I've schooled them on that point as well, but good work in reminding the viewers how obstructionist they're being and how badly they want to discuss any issue except the ease at which their chosen candidate will get butchered in a general election.

Have we talked yet about how, despite his supposed magnetism and charisma, when put one-on-one in a debate, Barack has faltered terribly? That's a quality I want in a general election candidate.

i hope youre not including me in the barack camp b/c that is FAR from the case..

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Because Julian has a total man-crush on Bill.

If you'll look back, it would be more accurate to say, "Because Charlie Nakatestes can't debate Obama on his merits so he tried to change the issue."

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:

Originally posted by callat703:
But you don't think it is important to note successes outside of the political forum? Columbia University undergrad and President of the Harvard Law Review? Work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, and a professor?

I've got a bachelor's degree, was elected Most Huggable in high school, and have done volunteer work feeding the homeless and helping children with MS. Perhaps I should run for Emperor.

I think in this day and age, we all agree anyone who's going to be President probably graduated from college, and a good one at that. And a vast many politicians were lawyers and did good work in their community. The fact the Obama camp want to hang their hat on this as his grand qualifications to bring about change and lead the free world only highlights how much of a sitting duck he's going to be when the competition isn't "friendly."

You keep bringing up the fact that the general is going to be more difficult. But if Clinton can't sink Obama, what makes you think she can sink McCain?

And you claim that he's faltered terribly in the debates? What debates are you watching?

Why is is that the most highly educated Democratic voters are in Obama's camp, and not Hillary's?

Originally posted by manimtired:
i hope youre not including me in the barack camp b/c that is FAR from the case..

I was not.

lack of a legislative record is exactly what i want from a nominee